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On the ILS at fkl the reporter was asked by yng approach to cancel IFR as soon as possible because of other inbound IFR traffic. When the reporter broke out on final he canceled. An IFR piper in contact with departure control got his release and took the runway in front of the reporter. The reporter had to go around.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 333584 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199604 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : fkl |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 1000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : yng |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Piper Aircraft Corp Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 1400 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 333584 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified cockpit |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | vertical : 200 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
IFR from dkk to fkl on the ILS at fkl. We were asked by youngstown approach to cancel IFR as soon as possible because of other inbound IFR traffic. Being on the ILS and having just broke out of the clouds we had good contact with the runway, so being a cooperative pilot I canceled. I called on the advisory frequency 4 mi out and at 2 mi out. At 200 ft we noticed a white piper preparing to takeoff (it was getting dark and there was light snow cover all around making it hard to see), then he pulled onto the runway. We called, 'aircraft on final fkl!' and had to do a go around. When I switched back to approach to alert them I was in the pattern I heard the piper talk to approach. So I asked the piper why he took off in front of landing traffic? His response to approach 'well he canceled.' 'what does that have to do with it?' the controller asked. 'I'm from new jersey and that's how we do it there. Otherwise we would not get off the ground.' so if you want to prevent having accidents on final do not take your flight training in new jersey. They fly by different rules!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ON THE ILS AT FKL THE RPTR WAS ASKED BY YNG APCH TO CANCEL IFR ASAP BECAUSE OF OTHER INBOUND IFR TFC. WHEN THE RPTR BROKE OUT ON FINAL HE CANCELED. AN IFR PIPER IN CONTACT WITH DEP CTL GOT HIS RELEASE AND TOOK THE RWY IN FRONT OF THE RPTR. THE RPTR HAD TO GAR.
Narrative: IFR FROM DKK TO FKL ON THE ILS AT FKL. WE WERE ASKED BY YOUNGSTOWN APCH TO CANCEL IFR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF OTHER INBOUND IFR TFC. BEING ON THE ILS AND HAVING JUST BROKE OUT OF THE CLOUDS WE HAD GOOD CONTACT WITH THE RWY, SO BEING A COOPERATIVE PLT I CANCELED. I CALLED ON THE ADVISORY FREQ 4 MI OUT AND AT 2 MI OUT. AT 200 FT WE NOTICED A WHITE PIPER PREPARING TO TKOF (IT WAS GETTING DARK AND THERE WAS LIGHT SNOW COVER ALL AROUND MAKING IT HARD TO SEE), THEN HE PULLED ONTO THE RWY. WE CALLED, 'ACFT ON FINAL FKL!' AND HAD TO DO A GAR. WHEN I SWITCHED BACK TO APCH TO ALERT THEM I WAS IN THE PATTERN I HEARD THE PIPER TALK TO APCH. SO I ASKED THE PIPER WHY HE TOOK OFF IN FRONT OF LNDG TFC? HIS RESPONSE TO APCH 'WELL HE CANCELED.' 'WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IT?' THE CTLR ASKED. 'I'M FROM NEW JERSEY AND THAT'S HOW WE DO IT THERE. OTHERWISE WE WOULD NOT GET OFF THE GND.' SO IF YOU WANT TO PREVENT HAVING ACCIDENTS ON FINAL DO NOT TAKE YOUR FLT TRAINING IN NEW JERSEY. THEY FLY BY DIFFERENT RULES!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.