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Attributes | |
ACN | 333778 |
Time | |
Date | 199604 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pke |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : psp tower : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 230 |
ASRS Report | 333778 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified cockpit |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Had frequency problem communicating with ZLA -- 4 tries, no communication. Went back to previous frequency. Psp departure sent us back to 128.15 frequency. Tried 4 more times and then back to psp departure frequency. Our climb clearance to 17000 ft was then canceled and told to maintain 13000 ft. Told to try again on 128.15 frequency. Informed ATC of problem with frequency as reported yesterday on inbound flight. At 13000 ft saw a small cessna single engine C172 type, at same altitude. TCASII confirmed 13000 ft for both aircraft. No TA or RA sounded. We took action and climbed to 13300 ft and turned right to avoid aircraft and allowed it to pass clear under left wing. The cessna appeared to descend at the same time. Passing distance was less than 700 ft vertically and very close horizontally -- less than 1/2 mi. Informed ATC on frequency 128.6 of problem. They tried to send us again to bad frequency of 128.15. Informed them we were staying with him and no longer were going to try on 128.15, since we now had contact with ATC. Flight continued with no further incident. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter stated he was the captain and the PF. He has about 15000 hours total time, 200 hours in the past 90 days and about 230 hours total time flying the MD80. The occurrence was in the morning. When level at 13000 ft they were moving along at about 320 KIAS or about 400 KTS true. The cessna 172 came up on the TCASII scope at the same altitude. The reporter climbed 300 ft and the cessna descended 200 ft. The maximum miss was 700 ft. The TCASII RA and TA never went off and was written up. The maintenance tested the TCASII and changed the computer. The reporter stated when they were at about FL260, 128.15 was receivable. The reporter having an avionics knowledge suggested that a repeater was not working to beam the frequency into the palm springs area. He talked to ZLA and they don't believe anything is wrong with their frequency. The radios on the reporter's aircraft were checked to assure 128.15 was working. The reporter suspects from his experience the day before and this day the frequency would be unusable below FL200.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR IS UNABLE AFTER NUMEROUS CALLS TO ESTABLISH CONTACT WITH ZLA. PSP SENT THE RPTR BACK TO TRY SOME MORE WITH STILL NO CONTACT. PSP TOLD RPTR TO MAINTAIN 13000 FT INSTEAD OF 17000 FT. A C172 WAS AT 13000 FT. THE RPTR CLBED AND TURNED TO AVOID HIM.
Narrative: HAD FREQ PROB COMMUNICATING WITH ZLA -- 4 TRIES, NO COM. WENT BACK TO PREVIOUS FREQ. PSP DEP SENT US BACK TO 128.15 FREQ. TRIED 4 MORE TIMES AND THEN BACK TO PSP DEP FREQ. OUR CLB CLRNC TO 17000 FT WAS THEN CANCELED AND TOLD TO MAINTAIN 13000 FT. TOLD TO TRY AGAIN ON 128.15 FREQ. INFORMED ATC OF PROB WITH FREQ AS RPTED YESTERDAY ON INBOUND FLT. AT 13000 FT SAW A SMALL CESSNA SINGLE ENG C172 TYPE, AT SAME ALT. TCASII CONFIRMED 13000 FT FOR BOTH ACFT. NO TA OR RA SOUNDED. WE TOOK ACTION AND CLBED TO 13300 FT AND TURNED R TO AVOID ACFT AND ALLOWED IT TO PASS CLR UNDER L WING. THE CESSNA APPEARED TO DSND AT THE SAME TIME. PASSING DISTANCE WAS LESS THAN 700 FT VERTLY AND VERY CLOSE HORIZLY -- LESS THAN 1/2 MI. INFORMED ATC ON FREQ 128.6 OF PROB. THEY TRIED TO SEND US AGAIN TO BAD FREQ OF 128.15. INFORMED THEM WE WERE STAYING WITH HIM AND NO LONGER WERE GOING TO TRY ON 128.15, SINCE WE NOW HAD CONTACT WITH ATC. FLT CONTINUED WITH NO FURTHER INCIDENT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR STATED HE WAS THE CAPT AND THE PF. HE HAS ABOUT 15000 HRS TOTAL TIME, 200 HRS IN THE PAST 90 DAYS AND ABOUT 230 HRS TOTAL TIME FLYING THE MD80. THE OCCURRENCE WAS IN THE MORNING. WHEN LEVEL AT 13000 FT THEY WERE MOVING ALONG AT ABOUT 320 KIAS OR ABOUT 400 KTS TRUE. THE CESSNA 172 CAME UP ON THE TCASII SCOPE AT THE SAME ALT. THE RPTR CLBED 300 FT AND THE CESSNA DSNDED 200 FT. THE MAX MISS WAS 700 FT. THE TCASII RA AND TA NEVER WENT OFF AND WAS WRITTEN UP. THE MAINT TESTED THE TCASII AND CHANGED THE COMPUTER. THE RPTR STATED WHEN THEY WERE AT ABOUT FL260, 128.15 WAS RECEIVABLE. THE RPTR HAVING AN AVIONICS KNOWLEDGE SUGGESTED THAT A REPEATER WAS NOT WORKING TO BEAM THE FREQ INTO THE PALM SPRINGS AREA. HE TALKED TO ZLA AND THEY DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING IS WRONG WITH THEIR FREQ. THE RADIOS ON THE RPTR'S ACFT WERE CHKED TO ASSURE 128.15 WAS WORKING. THE RPTR SUSPECTS FROM HIS EXPERIENCE THE DAY BEFORE AND THIS DAY THE FREQ WOULD BE UNUSABLE BELOW FL200.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.