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Attributes | |
ACN | 333991 |
Time | |
Date | 199604 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dca |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 14500 |
ASRS Report | 333991 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 333990 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
The clearance was not clear that we needed to make an immediate turn to the left. No degree of heading or altitude was given. Clearance given: cleared to pvd turn northwest noise abatement procedure radar vectors to J220-J220 to micah intersection direct to mxe as filed climb to 5000 ft, 23000 ft 10 min later. Departure 125.65 squawk 0562, I had not been given a noise abatement procedure before. I checked through dca charts and sids and found no noise abatement procedure with nos charts. Thinking that we would be getting radar vectors and that tower would give a heading and altitude on takeoff, we contacted ground control and were assigned runway 33 and then given runway 33 or 36. Runway 36 is closer and longer, it was chosen. Contacting tower I asked for the noise abatement procedure with no reply. Tower cleared us for takeoff and then to contact departure on 125.65. On 125.65 there was a time delay and told to contact departure 118.95. Called departure on 118.95 another time delay and then asked to identify. We were then given headings and altitudes to J220 and then to our destination. The SID out of palwaukee, chicago runway 16 is very clear on what to do, stay away from O'hare. I strongly suggest a SID off of runway 36 at dca to avoid this restr area. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter stated they were flying a citation. He cannot think of anything he could have done differently then knowing only what he knew then. Of course, now he is preeminently aware of P-56. Even now he does not know where he would find in the nos the northwest noise abatement departure procedure. As the first officer he does not know whether any further action was taken against the captain.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE CLRNC TO PVD WAS NOT CLR THAT HE NEEDED TO MAKE AN IMMEDIATE L TURN AFTER DEP. NO DEG OF HDG WAS GIVEN. THE RPTR CHKED THROUGH NOS DCA CHARTS AND SIDS AND FOUND NO NOISE ABATEMENT PROC. TWR WAS ASKED FOR THE NOISE ABATEMENT PROC WITH NO REPLY. TWR CLRED THE FLT FOR TKOF. THE FLT HAD BEEN ISSUED THE WRONG DEP CTL FREQ ON THE CLRNC. BEFORE THE CREW WAS SUCCESSFUL IN CONTACTING DEP CTL THEY HAD VIOLATED THE P-56 AREA.
Narrative: THE CLRNC WAS NOT CLR THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE AN IMMEDIATE TURN TO THE L. NO DEG OF HEADING OR ALT WAS GIVEN. CLRNC GIVEN: CLRED TO PVD TURN NW NOISE ABATEMENT PROC RADAR VECTORS TO J220-J220 TO MICAH INTXN DIRECT TO MXE AS FILED CLB TO 5000 FT, 23000 FT 10 MIN LATER. DEP 125.65 SQUAWK 0562, I HAD NOT BEEN GIVEN A NOISE ABATEMENT PROC BEFORE. I CHKED THROUGH DCA CHARTS AND SIDS AND FOUND NO NOISE ABATEMENT PROC WITH NOS CHARTS. THINKING THAT WE WOULD BE GETTING RADAR VECTORS AND THAT TWR WOULD GIVE A HEADING AND ALT ON TKOF, WE CONTACTED GND CTL AND WERE ASSIGNED RWY 33 AND THEN GIVEN RWY 33 OR 36. RWY 36 IS CLOSER AND LONGER, IT WAS CHOSEN. CONTACTING TWR I ASKED FOR THE NOISE ABATEMENT PROC WITH NO REPLY. TWR CLRED US FOR TKOF AND THEN TO CONTACT DEP ON 125.65. ON 125.65 THERE WAS A TIME DELAY AND TOLD TO CONTACT DEP 118.95. CALLED DEP ON 118.95 ANOTHER TIME DELAY AND THEN ASKED TO IDENT. WE WERE THEN GIVEN HDGS AND ALTS TO J220 AND THEN TO OUR DEST. THE SID OUT OF PALWAUKEE, CHICAGO RWY 16 IS VERY CLR ON WHAT TO DO, STAY AWAY FROM O'HARE. I STRONGLY SUGGEST A SID OFF OF RWY 36 AT DCA TO AVOID THIS RESTR AREA. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR STATED THEY WERE FLYING A CITATION. HE CANNOT THINK OF ANYTHING HE COULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY THEN KNOWING ONLY WHAT HE KNEW THEN. OF COURSE, NOW HE IS PREEMINENTLY AWARE OF P-56. EVEN NOW HE DOES NOT KNOW WHERE HE WOULD FIND IN THE NOS THE NW NOISE ABATEMENT DEP PROC. AS THE FO HE DOES NOT KNOW WHETHER ANY FURTHER ACTION WAS TAKEN AGAINST THE CAPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.