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Attributes | |
ACN | 334709 |
Time | |
Date | 199604 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : psm |
State Reference | NH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 1100 flight time type : 40 |
ASRS Report | 334709 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was flying with a student pilot helping them transition to a 'new' airplane -- this was a PA28-161. They were previously training in a grumman. We did maneuvers for about an hour then came back to pease to land. There were strong winds 19-23 KTS -- almost a direct crosswind. We had been asked by tower to report downwind, which we did, but then we proceeded around the pattern to base and then final. Both of these legs got very busy in the cockpit and with everything happening so quickly, we forgot to ask if we were cleared to land and proceeded to touch down. At this point, tower asked us 'which tower had given us permission to land.' at that moment, the student and I realized our mistake. We realized the potential safety problem, and were horrified at what had occurred. Fortunately, we were the only airplane in the traffic pattern, although that fact probably contributed to our error. Contributing factors may have been: student unfamiliar with airplane and needing extra help. I usually fly out of non twred airports. In the past I have always had tower 'volunteer' the clearance to land without my having to ask for it. The strong winds caused me to need to devote even more attention to helping the student control the plane safely so I was further distracted from getting that clearance. I do know that I am supposed to know better. A potential corrective action would have been for me to remember to ask 'are we clear to land.' of course, I was distraction from the duty of radio by the task of helping the student 'fly the airplane no matter what.' another action could have been for the tower to clear us to land since we were, to my knowledge, the only airplane using that airport at that time. In other words, they could have seen us coming, and as most towers do, provided us the clearance automatically.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DURING ACFT TRANSITION LNDG PRACTICE, THE PLTS FORGOT TO OBTAIN LNDG CLRNC.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING WITH A STUDENT PLT HELPING THEM TRANSITION TO A 'NEW' AIRPLANE -- THIS WAS A PA28-161. THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY TRAINING IN A GRUMMAN. WE DID MANEUVERS FOR ABOUT AN HR THEN CAME BACK TO PEASE TO LAND. THERE WERE STRONG WINDS 19-23 KTS -- ALMOST A DIRECT XWIND. WE HAD BEEN ASKED BY TWR TO RPT DOWNWIND, WHICH WE DID, BUT THEN WE PROCEEDED AROUND THE PATTERN TO BASE AND THEN FINAL. BOTH OF THESE LEGS GOT VERY BUSY IN THE COCKPIT AND WITH EVERYTHING HAPPENING SO QUICKLY, WE FORGOT TO ASK IF WE WERE CLRED TO LAND AND PROCEEDED TO TOUCH DOWN. AT THIS POINT, TWR ASKED US 'WHICH TWR HAD GIVEN US PERMISSION TO LAND.' AT THAT MOMENT, THE STUDENT AND I REALIZED OUR MISTAKE. WE REALIZED THE POTENTIAL SAFETY PROB, AND WERE HORRIFIED AT WHAT HAD OCCURRED. FORTUNATELY, WE WERE THE ONLY AIRPLANE IN THE TFC PATTERN, ALTHOUGH THAT FACT PROBABLY CONTRIBUTED TO OUR ERROR. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS MAY HAVE BEEN: STUDENT UNFAMILIAR WITH AIRPLANE AND NEEDING EXTRA HELP. I USUALLY FLY OUT OF NON TWRED ARPTS. IN THE PAST I HAVE ALWAYS HAD TWR 'VOLUNTEER' THE CLRNC TO LAND WITHOUT MY HAVING TO ASK FOR IT. THE STRONG WINDS CAUSED ME TO NEED TO DEVOTE EVEN MORE ATTN TO HELPING THE STUDENT CTL THE PLANE SAFELY SO I WAS FURTHER DISTRACTED FROM GETTING THAT CLRNC. I DO KNOW THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO KNOW BETTER. A POTENTIAL CORRECTIVE ACTION WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR ME TO REMEMBER TO ASK 'ARE WE CLR TO LAND.' OF COURSE, I WAS DISTR FROM THE DUTY OF RADIO BY THE TASK OF HELPING THE STUDENT 'FLY THE AIRPLANE NO MATTER WHAT.' ANOTHER ACTION COULD HAVE BEEN FOR THE TWR TO CLR US TO LAND SINCE WE WERE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE ONLY AIRPLANE USING THAT ARPT AT THAT TIME. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY COULD HAVE SEEN US COMING, AND AS MOST TWRS DO, PROVIDED US THE CLRNC AUTOMATICALLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.