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Attributes | |
ACN | 334711 |
Time | |
Date | 199604 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pdx |
State Reference | OR |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4100 msl bound upper : 7500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : pdx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 334717 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On the bonvil arrival to runway 28R at pdx on the pdx 079 degree radial, 30 DME decreasing to 25 DME, pdx approach issued a non discretionary descent from 5500 ft MSL to 4100 ft MSL in solid IFR WX. At 21 DME the GPWS 'pull up/terrain' warning sounded 4 times. An immediate maximum power climb was executed to 7500 ft MSL. Pdx was advised on radio. They responded that the climb was unnecessary, 4100 ft is a good altitude. No traffic conflict occurred. 1 week later the same arrival was flown in VMC WX. The offending terrain is at 21 DME. Pdx approach was questioned as to the beginning of the 4100 ft MVA, and they responded with 18 DME. So, it appears that the previous week's encounter was a result of a clearance issued that anticipated the jet to be within 18 DME prior to reaching the 4100 ft altitude. The math therefore indicates an actual miss distance of 600 ft. While not fatal, this is too small a miss distance and the practice of 'anticipating' by controllers should be reviewed. Also, why does pdx approach want aircraft at 4100 ft at 18 mi -- 6000 ft sounds better to me.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE RPTR RECEIVED AND RESPONDED TO GPWS WHEN COMPLYING WITH DSCNT INSTRUCTION PREMATURELY ASSIGNED BY APCH CTL.
Narrative: ON THE BONVIL ARR TO RWY 28R AT PDX ON THE PDX 079 DEG RADIAL, 30 DME DECREASING TO 25 DME, PDX APCH ISSUED A NON DISCRETIONARY DSCNT FROM 5500 FT MSL TO 4100 FT MSL IN SOLID IFR WX. AT 21 DME THE GPWS 'PULL UP/TERRAIN' WARNING SOUNDED 4 TIMES. AN IMMEDIATE MAX PWR CLB WAS EXECUTED TO 7500 FT MSL. PDX WAS ADVISED ON RADIO. THEY RESPONDED THAT THE CLB WAS UNNECESSARY, 4100 FT IS A GOOD ALT. NO TFC CONFLICT OCCURRED. 1 WK LATER THE SAME ARR WAS FLOWN IN VMC WX. THE OFFENDING TERRAIN IS AT 21 DME. PDX APCH WAS QUESTIONED AS TO THE BEGINNING OF THE 4100 FT MVA, AND THEY RESPONDED WITH 18 DME. SO, IT APPEARS THAT THE PREVIOUS WK'S ENCOUNTER WAS A RESULT OF A CLRNC ISSUED THAT ANTICIPATED THE JET TO BE WITHIN 18 DME PRIOR TO REACHING THE 4100 FT ALT. THE MATH THEREFORE INDICATES AN ACTUAL MISS DISTANCE OF 600 FT. WHILE NOT FATAL, THIS IS TOO SMALL A MISS DISTANCE AND THE PRACTICE OF 'ANTICIPATING' BY CTLRS SHOULD BE REVIEWED. ALSO, WHY DOES PDX APCH WANT ACFT AT 4100 FT AT 18 MI -- 6000 FT SOUNDS BETTER TO ME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.