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Attributes | |
ACN | 341108 |
Time | |
Date | 199607 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : roa |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : roa tower : dca |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : private pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 43 flight time total : 1975 flight time type : 810 |
ASRS Report | 341108 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 300 |
Narrative:
I was cleared to 7000 ft under radar contact from bcb to roa on an IFR plan to cho. While still climbing through about 6000 ft I received a TA of a jet descending out of 10000 ft at 10 O'clock. My passenger and I both began looking but saw nothing. We were passing through broken cloud levels. As we approached roa VOR we were level at 7000 (the assigned altitude). We were above a broken layer and under what looked like an overcast. Visibility appeared to be less than VFR. No other advisories were given on the traffic. Because of my position in the left seat of the high wing aircraft the 10 O'clock high position for approaching aircraft is not readily observable. At roa VOR my passenger (a non pilot) saw what he described as a large aircraft pass over us at an estimated 200-500 ft above. In retrospect, I should have been more aggressive in asking about the traffic. In fact, I wish I had suggested to the controller that I remain low or that the jet stay high until passing roa. Perhaps this was done on another frequency and perhaps the jet had seen us but no one told us this. More communication would have been appropriate and appreciated.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PLT ISSUED TA, BUT IS IN AND OUT OF CLOUDS. WHEN LEVEL, PAX SIGHTS ACFT PASSING OVERHEAD ABOUT 300 FT ABOVE.
Narrative: I WAS CLRED TO 7000 FT UNDER RADAR CONTACT FROM BCB TO ROA ON AN IFR PLAN TO CHO. WHILE STILL CLBING THROUGH ABOUT 6000 FT I RECEIVED A TA OF A JET DSNDING OUT OF 10000 FT AT 10 O'CLOCK. MY PAX AND I BOTH BEGAN LOOKING BUT SAW NOTHING. WE WERE PASSING THROUGH BROKEN CLOUD LEVELS. AS WE APCHED ROA VOR WE WERE LEVEL AT 7000 (THE ASSIGNED ALT). WE WERE ABOVE A BROKEN LAYER AND UNDER WHAT LOOKED LIKE AN OVCST. VISIBILITY APPEARED TO BE LESS THAN VFR. NO OTHER ADVISORIES WERE GIVEN ON THE TFC. BECAUSE OF MY POS IN THE L SEAT OF THE HIGH WING ACFT THE 10 O'CLOCK HIGH POS FOR APCHING ACFT IS NOT READILY OBSERVABLE. AT ROA VOR MY PAX (A NON PLT) SAW WHAT HE DESCRIBED AS A LARGE ACFT PASS OVER US AT AN ESTIMATED 200-500 FT ABOVE. IN RETROSPECT, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE AGGRESSIVE IN ASKING ABOUT THE TFC. IN FACT, I WISH I HAD SUGGESTED TO THE CTLR THAT I REMAIN LOW OR THAT THE JET STAY HIGH UNTIL PASSING ROA. PERHAPS THIS WAS DONE ON ANOTHER FREQ AND PERHAPS THE JET HAD SEEN US BUT NO ONE TOLD US THIS. MORE COM WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE AND APPRECIATED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.