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Attributes | |
ACN | 341581 |
Time | |
Date | 199607 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : crg |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 37000 msl bound upper : 37000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx tracon : pdx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7800 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 341581 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1132 |
ASRS Report | 341342 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | other other other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were on a scheduled passenger flight between fll and atl. It was late afternoon in the summer, with the usual convective activity in fl. To the northwest of craig VOR was a line of thunderstorms we would need to get through or around in order to get to atlanta. The line appeared to extend about 100 mi beyond our position. We had been given clearance to deviate as necessary, direct to the dublin fix on the atl arrival when able. We were at FL370, approximately .80 mach, in clear air with light chop. The seat belt light was on. The cells were imbedded in cirriform clouds, but our WX radar indicated a narrow gap between 2 cells. The captain (PF) began a turn toward the gap rather than end run the line. We studied it on the radar and I asked him if he was going to 'thread that needle.' I considered the 2 large cells to be in too close proximity, but he elected to continue. Although I did not think it was a wise decision, I said nothing more. Penetrating the cirrus I called the flight attendants on the interphone and advised them to prepare for some turbulence. Both cabin sections acknowledged. We broke into the clear between the 2 cells to find another cell building rapidly directly in our path. There was no room to maneuver to avoid it and upon penetration we encountered approximately 30 seconds to 1 min of heavy to severe turbulence, with altitude fluctuations of plus 400 to minus 700 ft. Once clear of the turbulence we had 3 flight attendants and 1 passenger injured. We landed in atl about 25 mins later, were met at the gate by paramedics and the injured passenger and crew members were treated and transported to a local hospital. Human factors considerations: there was no need to attempt penetration of the line. A deviation around the end of the line would have cost no more than 15 mins on our arrival time. I felt it unwise to penetrate at the point the captain had selected, but chose to make nothing more than a small question about it. Our rapport was good, and I believe he would have responded well had I told him outright of my misgivings. But I did not want to appear pushy. Part of my job is to provide inputs, checks and balances. I failed in this area and its cost was several people injured (fortunately not severely), the rest terrified (severely), and airplane taken off flying status for maintenance inspections and repairs, and a lot of paperwork. It wasn't worth it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INFLT WX ENCOUNTER, SEVERE TURB. INJURIES. CAPT THOUGHT HE COULD PENETRATE A CIRRI LINE, BUT WAS CLOSED IN ONCE GOING THROUGH IT AND EXPERIENCED SEVERE TURB. RPTR FO WAS UNHAPPY WITH THE DECISION, BUT DIDN'T ADVOCATE STRONGLY.
Narrative: WE WERE ON A SCHEDULED PAX FLT BTWN FLL AND ATL. IT WAS LATE AFTERNOON IN THE SUMMER, WITH THE USUAL CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY IN FL. TO THE NW OF CRAIG VOR WAS A LINE OF TSTMS WE WOULD NEED TO GET THROUGH OR AROUND IN ORDER TO GET TO ATLANTA. THE LINE APPEARED TO EXTEND ABOUT 100 MI BEYOND OUR POS. WE HAD BEEN GIVEN CLRNC TO DEVIATE AS NECESSARY, DIRECT TO THE DUBLIN FIX ON THE ATL ARR WHEN ABLE. WE WERE AT FL370, APPROX .80 MACH, IN CLR AIR WITH LIGHT CHOP. THE SEAT BELT LIGHT WAS ON. THE CELLS WERE IMBEDDED IN CIRRIFORM CLOUDS, BUT OUR WX RADAR INDICATED A NARROW GAP BTWN 2 CELLS. THE CAPT (PF) BEGAN A TURN TOWARD THE GAP RATHER THAN END RUN THE LINE. WE STUDIED IT ON THE RADAR AND I ASKED HIM IF HE WAS GOING TO 'THREAD THAT NEEDLE.' I CONSIDERED THE 2 LARGE CELLS TO BE IN TOO CLOSE PROX, BUT HE ELECTED TO CONTINUE. ALTHOUGH I DID NOT THINK IT WAS A WISE DECISION, I SAID NOTHING MORE. PENETRATING THE CIRRUS I CALLED THE FLT ATTENDANTS ON THE INTERPHONE AND ADVISED THEM TO PREPARE FOR SOME TURB. BOTH CABIN SECTIONS ACKNOWLEDGED. WE BROKE INTO THE CLR BTWN THE 2 CELLS TO FIND ANOTHER CELL BUILDING RAPIDLY DIRECTLY IN OUR PATH. THERE WAS NO ROOM TO MANEUVER TO AVOID IT AND UPON PENETRATION WE ENCOUNTERED APPROX 30 SECONDS TO 1 MIN OF HVY TO SEVERE TURB, WITH ALT FLUCTUATIONS OF PLUS 400 TO MINUS 700 FT. ONCE CLR OF THE TURB WE HAD 3 FLT ATTENDANTS AND 1 PAX INJURED. WE LANDED IN ATL ABOUT 25 MINS LATER, WERE MET AT THE GATE BY PARAMEDICS AND THE INJURED PAX AND CREW MEMBERS WERE TREATED AND TRANSPORTED TO A LCL HOSPITAL. HUMAN FACTORS CONSIDERATIONS: THERE WAS NO NEED TO ATTEMPT PENETRATION OF THE LINE. A DEV AROUND THE END OF THE LINE WOULD HAVE COST NO MORE THAN 15 MINS ON OUR ARR TIME. I FELT IT UNWISE TO PENETRATE AT THE POINT THE CAPT HAD SELECTED, BUT CHOSE TO MAKE NOTHING MORE THAN A SMALL QUESTION ABOUT IT. OUR RAPPORT WAS GOOD, AND I BELIEVE HE WOULD HAVE RESPONDED WELL HAD I TOLD HIM OUTRIGHT OF MY MISGIVINGS. BUT I DID NOT WANT TO APPEAR PUSHY. PART OF MY JOB IS TO PROVIDE INPUTS, CHKS AND BALS. I FAILED IN THIS AREA AND ITS COST WAS SEVERAL PEOPLE INJURED (FORTUNATELY NOT SEVERELY), THE REST TERRIFIED (SEVERELY), AND AIRPLANE TAKEN OFF FLYING STATUS FOR MAINT INSPECTIONS AND REPAIRS, AND A LOT OF PAPERWORK. IT WASN'T WORTH IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.