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Socal TRACON controller reports a violation of an altitude crossing restr that numerous flight crew have been missing by descending early. This early descent is through an en route airway east of lax (fuelr intersection).
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 341785 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199607 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller non radar : 2 controller radar : 2 flight time total : 160 |
| ASRS Report | 341785 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | oversight : supervisor |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
An aircraft landing in the adjacent sector descended early, into our sky. The STAR clearly states the crossing restr and the pilots missed it, or flew it wrong. This has been a regular occurrence over the past week. Our mgrs issued a statement that it was because of atmospheric conditions! The problem with these early dscnts is that they descend into a very heavily traveled route. This time there wasn't a plane there, next time there might be. Our management has declared that they want to file pltdevs (only if) the aircraft loses separation with someone else! Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter claims that numerous pltdevs at fuelr intersection have gone unrpted by FAA management at socal TRACON. Reporter stated that when reports were first turned into management they allegedly said if no loss of separation occurred no pltdevs would be processed. Reporter contends that after a loss of separation occurred at fuelr, pltdevs were then filed and processed. Reporter has no idea why the altitude bust keeps on occurring at fuelr.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SOCAL TRACON CTLR RPTS A VIOLATION OF AN ALT XING RESTR THAT NUMEROUS FLC HAVE BEEN MISSING BY DSNDING EARLY. THIS EARLY DSCNT IS THROUGH AN ENRTE AIRWAY E OF LAX (FUELR INTXN).
Narrative: AN ACFT LNDG IN THE ADJACENT SECTOR DSNDED EARLY, INTO OUR SKY. THE STAR CLRLY STATES THE XING RESTR AND THE PLTS MISSED IT, OR FLEW IT WRONG. THIS HAS BEEN A REGULAR OCCURRENCE OVER THE PAST WK. OUR MGRS ISSUED A STATEMENT THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS! THE PROB WITH THESE EARLY DSCNTS IS THAT THEY DSND INTO A VERY HEAVILY TRAVELED RTE. THIS TIME THERE WASN'T A PLANE THERE, NEXT TIME THERE MIGHT BE. OUR MGMNT HAS DECLARED THAT THEY WANT TO FILE PLTDEVS (ONLY IF) THE ACFT LOSES SEPARATION WITH SOMEONE ELSE! CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR CLAIMS THAT NUMEROUS PLTDEVS AT FUELR INTXN HAVE GONE UNRPTED BY FAA MGMNT AT SOCAL TRACON. RPTR STATED THAT WHEN RPTS WERE FIRST TURNED INTO MGMNT THEY ALLEGEDLY SAID IF NO LOSS OF SEPARATION OCCURRED NO PLTDEVS WOULD BE PROCESSED. RPTR CONTENDS THAT AFTER A LOSS OF SEPARATION OCCURRED AT FUELR, PLTDEVS WERE THEN FILED AND PROCESSED. RPTR HAS NO IDEA WHY THE ALT BUST KEEPS ON OCCURRING AT FUELR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.