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Attributes | |
ACN | 343110 |
Time | |
Date | 199607 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rfd |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : rfd |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Falcon 20FJF/20C/20D/20E/20F |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 2800 flight time type : 363 |
ASRS Report | 343110 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While serving as the PF sic, we were descending into rfd. The captain was getting ATIS and I was conducting the descent. I thought that we were cleared down to 6000 ft, but I think that it had been amended. Anyway, I told the captain to set the altitude to 6000 ft as we were descending out of 7200 ft. He said 9000 ft was the correct altitude and to stop the descent and return to 9000 ft. So I initiated a climb back to 9000 ft. It was a 'pilot's discretion' descent. We then asked the controller for lower and she said continue down, verify passing 8700 ft which we responded 'affirmative.' we apologized for any confusion that we might have caused and she did not think there would be any problem. On the ground, the captain and I discussed the events and both vowed to never stray from the altitude in the alerter without first asking the other pilot. That's never happened before and hopefully won't again.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FALCON 20 AIR TAXI FLC HAS CLRNC CONFUSION AND DSNDS BELOW ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: WHILE SERVING AS THE PF SIC, WE WERE DSNDING INTO RFD. THE CAPT WAS GETTING ATIS AND I WAS CONDUCTING THE DSCNT. I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE CLRED DOWN TO 6000 FT, BUT I THINK THAT IT HAD BEEN AMENDED. ANYWAY, I TOLD THE CAPT TO SET THE ALT TO 6000 FT AS WE WERE DSNDING OUT OF 7200 FT. HE SAID 9000 FT WAS THE CORRECT ALT AND TO STOP THE DSCNT AND RETURN TO 9000 FT. SO I INITIATED A CLB BACK TO 9000 FT. IT WAS A 'PLT'S DISCRETION' DSCNT. WE THEN ASKED THE CTLR FOR LOWER AND SHE SAID CONTINUE DOWN, VERIFY PASSING 8700 FT WHICH WE RESPONDED 'AFFIRMATIVE.' WE APOLOGIZED FOR ANY CONFUSION THAT WE MIGHT HAVE CAUSED AND SHE DID NOT THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY PROB. ON THE GND, THE CAPT AND I DISCUSSED THE EVENTS AND BOTH VOWED TO NEVER STRAY FROM THE ALT IN THE ALERTER WITHOUT FIRST ASKING THE OTHER PLT. THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE AND HOPEFULLY WON'T AGAIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.