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Attributes | |
ACN | 344960 |
Time | |
Date | 199608 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : buf |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10500 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob tower : bis |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 9000 |
ASRS Report | 344960 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cruising eastbound at about FL280 en route to buf, given a clearance similar to this: XXX cross 30 mi west of buf at 10000 ft, 250 KTS, buf altimeter 30.10 inches.' about 40 mi west of buf, controller asked us to verify level 11000 ft. We were at 10500 ft and quickly returned to 11000 ft. No urgency or conflict was noted in controller's voice. All 3 of us thought we heard 10000 ft. We called out of FL280 for 10000 ft, and did not hear a correction from the controller. If we were possibly at fault, this could be another case of a clearance being issued with too many numbers, ie, flight number, altitude, distance, airspeed, and altimeter (30.10 inches), not 10000 ft! In visual conditions, daylight, light traffic, I do not believe there was any conflict. The controller did not seem alarmed and didn't say anything to indicate a problem. Nevertheless, there was a misunderstanding that should be noted.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THINKING THEY WERE CLRED TO 10000 FT, FLC OVERSHOT ASSIGNED ALT OF 11000 FT.
Narrative: CRUISING EBOUND AT ABOUT FL280 ENRTE TO BUF, GIVEN A CLRNC SIMILAR TO THIS: XXX CROSS 30 MI W OF BUF AT 10000 FT, 250 KTS, BUF ALTIMETER 30.10 INCHES.' ABOUT 40 MI W OF BUF, CTLR ASKED US TO VERIFY LEVEL 11000 FT. WE WERE AT 10500 FT AND QUICKLY RETURNED TO 11000 FT. NO URGENCY OR CONFLICT WAS NOTED IN CTLR'S VOICE. ALL 3 OF US THOUGHT WE HEARD 10000 FT. WE CALLED OUT OF FL280 FOR 10000 FT, AND DID NOT HEAR A CORRECTION FROM THE CTLR. IF WE WERE POSSIBLY AT FAULT, THIS COULD BE ANOTHER CASE OF A CLRNC BEING ISSUED WITH TOO MANY NUMBERS, IE, FLT NUMBER, ALT, DISTANCE, AIRSPD, AND ALTIMETER (30.10 INCHES), NOT 10000 FT! IN VISUAL CONDITIONS, DAYLIGHT, LIGHT TFC, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY CONFLICT. THE CTLR DID NOT SEEM ALARMED AND DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO INDICATE A PROB. NEVERTHELESS, THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT SHOULD BE NOTED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.