Flight crew flies low over fuelr intersection during approach into lax.

Attributes
ACN	344952
Time
Date	199608
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : lax
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 18000
ASRS Report	344952
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : insufficient time none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : assigned or threatened penalties
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

FAA alleged altitude deviation (low) at fuelr intersection on runway 25L ILS lax. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter was surprised that such a thing even took place. He was positive no crossing altitude deviation took place. He was notified by his chief pilot 3 weeks after the incident took place. He felt strongly that some change in procedure must take place to prevent this from recurring. He also felt that if the controller made a statement to the pilot when clearing him for the approach, such as 'cleared for the approach, comply with all crossing altitudes,' it would be of great help to assure a pilot of what must be done for a safe approach.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC FLIES LOW OVER FUELR INTXN DURING APCH INTO LAX.

Narrative: FAA ALLEGED ALTDEV (LOW) AT FUELR INTXN ON RWY 25L ILS LAX. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS SURPRISED THAT SUCH A THING EVEN TOOK PLACE. HE WAS POSITIVE NO XING ALTDEV TOOK PLACE. HE WAS NOTIFIED BY HIS CHIEF PLT 3 WKS AFTER THE INCIDENT TOOK PLACE. HE FELT STRONGLY THAT SOME CHANGE IN PROC MUST TAKE PLACE TO PREVENT THIS FROM RECURRING. HE ALSO FELT THAT IF THE CTLR MADE A STATEMENT TO THE PLT WHEN CLRING HIM FOR THE APCH, SUCH AS 'CLRED FOR THE APCH, COMPLY WITH ALL XING ALTS,' IT WOULD BE OF GREAT HELP TO ASSURE A PLT OF WHAT MUST BE DONE FOR A SAFE APCH.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.