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Attributes | |
ACN | 345809 |
Time | |
Date | 199608 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 240 |
ASRS Report | 345809 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14020 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 345812 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 5000 vertical : 250 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
A B737 off of dal was noted on our TCASII at our altitude and closing. TCASII gave a TA and then an RA to descend. At the same time, our approach controller told us to descend immediately to 5000 ft and that he did not know that the dal controller had been climbing his traffic. We saw the landing lights of the other traffic and had already initiated our descent before clearance from approach but had only descended about 100 ft before he began apologizing for his and the dal controller's apparent miscom. This type of situation happens too frequently and in my opinion is caused by an overworked ATC system.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LTSS BTWN A COMMUTER LTT AND ACR B737. THE DEP CTLR CLBED THE B737 TO THE ALT OF THE LTT WITHOUT COORD WITH THE APCH CTLR. THE LTT RECEIVED A TCASII RA TO DSND AT THE SAME TIME THE CTLR ISSUED AN IMMEDIATE DSCNT CLRNC TO 5000 FT. THE LTT HAD TFC VISUALLY AND HAD ALREADY STARTED A DSCNT. OPERROR.
Narrative: A B737 OFF OF DAL WAS NOTED ON OUR TCASII AT OUR ALT AND CLOSING. TCASII GAVE A TA AND THEN AN RA TO DSND. AT THE SAME TIME, OUR APCH CTLR TOLD US TO DSND IMMEDIATELY TO 5000 FT AND THAT HE DID NOT KNOW THAT THE DAL CTLR HAD BEEN CLBING HIS TFC. WE SAW THE LNDG LIGHTS OF THE OTHER TFC AND HAD ALREADY INITIATED OUR DSCNT BEFORE CLRNC FROM APCH BUT HAD ONLY DSNDED ABOUT 100 FT BEFORE HE BEGAN APOLOGIZING FOR HIS AND THE DAL CTLR'S APPARENT MISCOM. THIS TYPE OF SIT HAPPENS TOO FREQUENTLY AND IN MY OPINION IS CAUSED BY AN OVERWORKED ATC SYS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.