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An amended clearance route change is responded to in a less than gracious manner by the PIC of a J41 commuter flight.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 346040 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199608 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : zny |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 17000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Jetstream 41 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : zny |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 7800 flight time type : 700 |
| ASRS Report | 346040 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Clearance delivery gave us a new route as per our request. The new route was pit direct jst V12 ptw V143 ard V276 rbu direct col jfk. Old route was pit ton V35 psb V58 fqm V576 dny pauling arrival, jfk. New route requested to save time for passenger with international connection in jfk. Clearance was accepted by ATC when ZOB handed us to ny. Ny requested us to fly direct to dny and pauling arrival. I said 'it's crazy to fly 90 mi north of jfk just to turn around at dny to fly back to jfk.' the controller got upset but gave us a new clearance via direct luz lendy arrival to jfk. Center called our company. Company yelled at me. Sorry! Won't ever ask for a short cut to help out a passenger or to help company save time and fuel. I was wrong in not coordinating with our flight control first.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN AMENDED CLRNC RTE CHANGE IS RESPONDED TO IN A LESS THAN GRACIOUS MANNER BY THE PIC OF A J41 COMMUTER FLT.
Narrative: CLRNC DELIVERY GAVE US A NEW RTE AS PER OUR REQUEST. THE NEW RTE WAS PIT DIRECT JST V12 PTW V143 ARD V276 RBU DIRECT COL JFK. OLD RTE WAS PIT TON V35 PSB V58 FQM V576 DNY PAULING ARR, JFK. NEW RTE REQUESTED TO SAVE TIME FOR PAX WITH INTL CONNECTION IN JFK. CLRNC WAS ACCEPTED BY ATC WHEN ZOB HANDED US TO NY. NY REQUESTED US TO FLY DIRECT TO DNY AND PAULING ARR. I SAID 'IT'S CRAZY TO FLY 90 MI N OF JFK JUST TO TURN AROUND AT DNY TO FLY BACK TO JFK.' THE CTLR GOT UPSET BUT GAVE US A NEW CLRNC VIA DIRECT LUZ LENDY ARR TO JFK. CTR CALLED OUR COMPANY. COMPANY YELLED AT ME. SORRY! WON'T EVER ASK FOR A SHORT CUT TO HELP OUT A PAX OR TO HELP COMPANY SAVE TIME AND FUEL. I WAS WRONG IN NOT COORDINATING WITH OUR FLT CTL FIRST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.