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Attributes | |
ACN | 347317 |
Time | |
Date | 199609 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1350 msl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 280 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 320 |
ASRS Report | 347317 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 347070 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While descending and on relatively large intercept angle to localizer, we were at approximately 3500 ft. I was told to expedite our descent to 1500 ft. In the turn I greatly increased our descent rate. 250 ft prior to 1500 ft (on autoplt), I decreased autoplt selected descent rate to approximately 300 FPM. At 1500 ft I engaged altitude hold. The aircraft continued to descend approximately 125 ft below assigned altitude. We were given a 'low altitude alert check your altimeters' from approach. I disengaged the autoplt, flew back to assigned altitude and was cleared for approach and landed uneventfully. This incident in my opinion occurred because of the low altitude, expedite descent request in a turn and intercepting localizer. Also because of my inexperience with B747 and time required to 'stop the mass of the aircraft' while on autoplt. The dual role in B747 of both an altitude select and altitude hold position on the autoplt has been new to me and I do not like the system, however, recognize it will not be changed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B747 DSNDS 150 FT BELOW ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: WHILE DSNDING AND ON RELATIVELY LARGE INTERCEPT ANGLE TO LOC, WE WERE AT APPROX 3500 FT. I WAS TOLD TO EXPEDITE OUR DSCNT TO 1500 FT. IN THE TURN I GREATLY INCREASED OUR DSCNT RATE. 250 FT PRIOR TO 1500 FT (ON AUTOPLT), I DECREASED AUTOPLT SELECTED DSCNT RATE TO APPROX 300 FPM. AT 1500 FT I ENGAGED ALT HOLD. THE ACFT CONTINUED TO DSND APPROX 125 FT BELOW ASSIGNED ALT. WE WERE GIVEN A 'LOW ALT ALERT CHK YOUR ALTIMETERS' FROM APCH. I DISENGAGED THE AUTOPLT, FLEW BACK TO ASSIGNED ALT AND WAS CLRED FOR APCH AND LANDED UNEVENTFULLY. THIS INCIDENT IN MY OPINION OCCURRED BECAUSE OF THE LOW ALT, EXPEDITE DSCNT REQUEST IN A TURN AND INTERCEPTING LOC. ALSO BECAUSE OF MY INEXPERIENCE WITH B747 AND TIME REQUIRED TO 'STOP THE MASS OF THE ACFT' WHILE ON AUTOPLT. THE DUAL ROLE IN B747 OF BOTH AN ALT SELECT AND ALT HOLD POS ON THE AUTOPLT HAS BEEN NEW TO ME AND I DO NOT LIKE THE SYS, HOWEVER, RECOGNIZE IT WILL NOT BE CHANGED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.