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Reported situation of 2 jump aircraft on different ATC facility frequencys and without communication with each other operating at high and low altitudes with jumpers away from the higher aircraft. Lack of interfacility coordination from center for the 1 min to jump time and for the jumpers away information. Lack of communication between aircraft. Pilot of lower aircraft took action to avoid jumpers.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 347994 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199609 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : bdl |
| State Reference | CT |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 13500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw tracon : bdl |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Pilatus Britten-Norman Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller non radar : 3 controller radar : 5 |
| ASRS Report | 347994 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Aircraft #1 was receiving advisories from ZBW at 13500 ft. Aircraft #2 was receiving advisories from Y90 (bradley approach) at 4500 ft. Aircraft #1 called 1 min prior to jump, ZBW failed to advise Y90 and aircraft #2 called 1 min prior. Aircraft #1 and #2 have no frequency to talk to each other. Aircraft #1 releases jumpers right on top of aircraft #2. Aircraft #2 advises Y90 he is moving out of the way because he sees canopies opening above him. This is a dangerous situation. Luckily, nobody died. The aircraft jumping at the same airport should have a dedicated frequency to coordinate jumps. ZBW needs new rules in regards to their responsibility to VFR aircraft. They never called for the '1 min prior' call nor the 'jumpers away' call. 3 weeks ago an F15 almost took out the pilatus because all ZBW legally has to do is issue traffic and does not have to ensure separation. The F15 took extreme evasive maneuvers to miss the aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTED SIT OF 2 JUMP ACFT ON DIFFERENT ATC FACILITY FREQS AND WITHOUT COM WITH EACH OTHER OPERATING AT HIGH AND LOW ALTS WITH JUMPERS AWAY FROM THE HIGHER ACFT. LACK OF INTERFAC COORD FROM CTR FOR THE 1 MIN TO JUMP TIME AND FOR THE JUMPERS AWAY INFO. LACK OF COM BTWN ACFT. PLT OF LOWER ACFT TOOK ACTION TO AVOID JUMPERS.
Narrative: ACFT #1 WAS RECEIVING ADVISORIES FROM ZBW AT 13500 FT. ACFT #2 WAS RECEIVING ADVISORIES FROM Y90 (BRADLEY APCH) AT 4500 FT. ACFT #1 CALLED 1 MIN PRIOR TO JUMP, ZBW FAILED TO ADVISE Y90 AND ACFT #2 CALLED 1 MIN PRIOR. ACFT #1 AND #2 HAVE NO FREQ TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. ACFT #1 RELEASES JUMPERS RIGHT ON TOP OF ACFT #2. ACFT #2 ADVISES Y90 HE IS MOVING OUT OF THE WAY BECAUSE HE SEES CANOPIES OPENING ABOVE HIM. THIS IS A DANGEROUS SIT. LUCKILY, NOBODY DIED. THE ACFT JUMPING AT THE SAME ARPT SHOULD HAVE A DEDICATED FREQ TO COORDINATE JUMPS. ZBW NEEDS NEW RULES IN REGARDS TO THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO VFR ACFT. THEY NEVER CALLED FOR THE '1 MIN PRIOR' CALL NOR THE 'JUMPERS AWAY' CALL. 3 WKS AGO AN F15 ALMOST TOOK OUT THE PILATUS BECAUSE ALL ZBW LEGALLY HAS TO DO IS ISSUE TFC AND DOES NOT HAVE TO ENSURE SEPARATION. THE F15 TOOK EXTREME EVASIVE MANEUVERS TO MISS THE ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.