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Government training flight off luk requests clearance through arsa C. Controller vectors 30 mi south to flm. Reporter elects to fly below the class C airspace even though difficult to remain clear of the inner 5 mi ring. Discussions with TRACON has resulted in little cooperation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 348200 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199609 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : cvg airport : luk |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : cvg |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 348200 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
I called cvg approach control after takeoff from luk and requested transition through their class C airspace climbing to 6500 ft MSL, VFR, en route to louisville area. They said they would have to vector me south to flm VOR before I could proceed southwest. I declined the vector and said I would remain below the class C at 2100 ft MSL or below. Although I attempted to remain clear of the inner 5 mi core, it was difficult to be sure. I finally put the LORAN on cvg and 'arced' around the 5 mi ring, but worried about whether I had penetrated it. I have talked to cvg approach personnel on several occasions to see if more cooperation would be possible in vectoring both VFR and IFR departures and arrs from/to luk airport without excessive diversions. This is especially a problem on departures and arrs from the west/southwest. A few controllers are quite cooperative in fitting you in and vectoring directly over cvg, most don't even consider the possibility and 'automatically' vector you north or south.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GOV TRAINING FLT OFF LUK REQUESTS CLRNC THROUGH ARSA C. CTLR VECTORS 30 MI S TO FLM. RPTR ELECTS TO FLY BELOW THE CLASS C AIRSPACE EVEN THOUGH DIFFICULT TO REMAIN CLR OF THE INNER 5 MI RING. DISCUSSIONS WITH TRACON HAS RESULTED IN LITTLE COOPERATION.
Narrative: I CALLED CVG APCH CTL AFTER TKOF FROM LUK AND REQUESTED TRANSITION THROUGH THEIR CLASS C AIRSPACE CLBING TO 6500 FT MSL, VFR, ENRTE TO LOUISVILLE AREA. THEY SAID THEY WOULD HAVE TO VECTOR ME S TO FLM VOR BEFORE I COULD PROCEED SW. I DECLINED THE VECTOR AND SAID I WOULD REMAIN BELOW THE CLASS C AT 2100 FT MSL OR BELOW. ALTHOUGH I ATTEMPTED TO REMAIN CLR OF THE INNER 5 MI CORE, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO BE SURE. I FINALLY PUT THE LORAN ON CVG AND 'ARCED' AROUND THE 5 MI RING, BUT WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER I HAD PENETRATED IT. I HAVE TALKED TO CVG APCH PERSONNEL ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO SEE IF MORE COOPERATION WOULD BE POSSIBLE IN VECTORING BOTH VFR AND IFR DEPS AND ARRS FROM/TO LUK ARPT WITHOUT EXCESSIVE DIVERSIONS. THIS IS ESPECIALLY A PROB ON DEPS AND ARRS FROM THE W/SW. A FEW CTLRS ARE QUITE COOPERATIVE IN FITTING YOU IN AND VECTORING DIRECTLY OVER CVG, MOST DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY AND 'AUTOMATICALLY' VECTOR YOU N OR S.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.