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Attributes | |
ACN | 348400 |
Time | |
Date | 199609 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fll |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia tower : fll |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 348400 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Downwind runway 9L fll, approach controller clears us to 2000 ft. Reclrs us to 2500 ft for traffic. Base runway 9L fll, approach controller clears us base turn at 2500 ft, points out traffic 9 O'clock 1 mi. I respond 'no joy.' I mention runway 9L and air carrier B737 in sight. Controller pause then (just about to cross extended runway 9L centerline) clears us for a visual. First officer who is flying sees a single engine propeller at 12 O'clock at same time TCASII TA alerts us. Target is 700 ft below with down arrow. First officer is not sure what target is doing, elects to keep it in sight by continuing to fly base. (This aircraft was not pointed out to us at any time, but appeared to be on a visual final for runway 9R). This action causes us to fly across final for runway 9R. When the captain acquired target visually, captain commanded a hard left turn to intercept runway 9L final. The target aircraft was easily avoided and an uneventful landing followed. By good 'see and avoid' by the first officer and with TCASII to confirm I believe a very significant event was avoided. It was apparent that approach controller had no knowledge of our target, but were continuously advised by us of the conflict and our actions. On the ground (in air carrier operations fll) captain phoned both FAA tower and approach control to inquire and found that a LOA (ATC type) exists that deals with who is responsible for traffic control on each runway (9L and 9R). This agreement may have a flaw whereby control responsibilities become questionable and should be reviewed by proper (no conflict of interest) auths. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter said that he was on approach to runway 9L when the other aircraft was sighted. He flew beyond his turn to final to insure adequate separation. The flight crew reported the other aircraft to the approach controller who was unaware of it. The reporter said that he was curios about how the controller could not know about the aircraft when he had radar. The reporter said that the captain talked to both the tower and approach control supervisors and the tower supervisor apparently apologized and both supervisors referred to a LOA between fll tower, mia tower and mia approach control that allows the use of 2 different frequencys for the approachs into runways 9L and 9R at fll. The reporter feels that this is unsafe because it does not allow a party line to be available to the pilots and reduces their potential situational awareness. The reporter said that he has talked to several other pilots at his company who said that they have had similar experiences on approachs at fll. He has told them that they should send reports to ASRS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR FLC MAKING AN APCH TO RWY 9L ENCOUNTERS A SINGLE ENG ACFT MAKING AN APCH TO RWY 9R AND AVOIDS IT BY HOLDING HEADING AND ALT ON THE BASE LEG UNTIL SAFE TO TURN BEHIND AND ABOVE IT. FLL TWR, MIA TWR AND MIA APCH CTL APPARENTLY HAVE A LOA IN WHICH THE APCH CTL POS FOR RWY 9L AND RWY 9R AT FLL USE DIFFERENT FREQS FOR PARALLEL TFC.
Narrative: DOWNWIND RWY 9L FLL, APCH CTLR CLRS US TO 2000 FT. RECLRS US TO 2500 FT FOR TFC. BASE RWY 9L FLL, APCH CTLR CLRS US BASE TURN AT 2500 FT, POINTS OUT TFC 9 O'CLOCK 1 MI. I RESPOND 'NO JOY.' I MENTION RWY 9L AND ACR B737 IN SIGHT. CTLR PAUSE THEN (JUST ABOUT TO CROSS EXTENDED RWY 9L CTRLINE) CLRS US FOR A VISUAL. FO WHO IS FLYING SEES A SINGLE ENG PROP AT 12 O'CLOCK AT SAME TIME TCASII TA ALERTS US. TARGET IS 700 FT BELOW WITH DOWN ARROW. FO IS NOT SURE WHAT TARGET IS DOING, ELECTS TO KEEP IT IN SIGHT BY CONTINUING TO FLY BASE. (THIS ACFT WAS NOT POINTED OUT TO US AT ANY TIME, BUT APPEARED TO BE ON A VISUAL FINAL FOR RWY 9R). THIS ACTION CAUSES US TO FLY ACROSS FINAL FOR RWY 9R. WHEN THE CAPT ACQUIRED TARGET VISUALLY, CAPT COMMANDED A HARD L TURN TO INTERCEPT RWY 9L FINAL. THE TARGET ACFT WAS EASILY AVOIDED AND AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG FOLLOWED. BY GOOD 'SEE AND AVOID' BY THE FO AND WITH TCASII TO CONFIRM I BELIEVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT EVENT WAS AVOIDED. IT WAS APPARENT THAT APCH CTLR HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF OUR TARGET, BUT WERE CONTINUOUSLY ADVISED BY US OF THE CONFLICT AND OUR ACTIONS. ON THE GND (IN ACR OPS FLL) CAPT PHONED BOTH FAA TWR AND APCH CTL TO INQUIRE AND FOUND THAT A LOA (ATC TYPE) EXISTS THAT DEALS WITH WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TFC CTL ON EACH RWY (9L AND 9R). THIS AGREEMENT MAY HAVE A FLAW WHEREBY CTL RESPONSIBILITIES BECOME QUESTIONABLE AND SHOULD BE REVIEWED BY PROPER (NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST) AUTHS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR SAID THAT HE WAS ON APCH TO RWY 9L WHEN THE OTHER ACFT WAS SIGHTED. HE FLEW BEYOND HIS TURN TO FINAL TO INSURE ADEQUATE SEPARATION. THE FLC RPTED THE OTHER ACFT TO THE APCH CTLR WHO WAS UNAWARE OF IT. THE RPTR SAID THAT HE WAS CURIOS ABOUT HOW THE CTLR COULD NOT KNOW ABOUT THE ACFT WHEN HE HAD RADAR. THE RPTR SAID THAT THE CAPT TALKED TO BOTH THE TWR AND APCH CTL SUPVRS AND THE TWR SUPVR APPARENTLY APOLOGIZED AND BOTH SUPVRS REFERRED TO A LOA BTWN FLL TWR, MIA TWR AND MIA APCH CTL THAT ALLOWS THE USE OF 2 DIFFERENT FREQS FOR THE APCHS INTO RWYS 9L AND 9R AT FLL. THE RPTR FEELS THAT THIS IS UNSAFE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ALLOW A PARTY LINE TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE PLTS AND REDUCES THEIR POTENTIAL SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. THE RPTR SAID THAT HE HAS TALKED TO SEVERAL OTHER PLTS AT HIS COMPANY WHO SAID THAT THEY HAVE HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES ON APCHS AT FLL. HE HAS TOLD THEM THAT THEY SHOULD SEND RPTS TO ASRS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.