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An air carrier B737 was cleared into position and hold on runway 24L at lax. As the aircraft crossed the hold line, the first officer saw another B737 on short final and told the captain to stop, which he did. ATCT local controller realized at this time that the potential conflict was about to occur, but used wrong call sign in trying to stop the taxiing B737. The captain told the tower they were holding clear of the runway as the B737 passed and landed.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 349794 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199610 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : straight in |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 16000 |
| ASRS Report | 349794 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 75 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were holding at 'the pad' for a runway 24L departure from lax. The pad is at the end of runway 24L facing down the runway. We were cleared into position and hold. As we turned the corner and crossed the hold short line, the first officer stated that the aircraft on short final looked like it was landing on our runway rather than runway 24R which is normal. I stopped short of the runway and our company landed on runway 24L. The tower had indeed cleared him to land and us into position on the same runway. When the controller realized the situation, he attempted several xmissions, using wrong call signs, etc. He was a little flustered. We just stated that we were holding short and he thanked us. Company landed uneventfully and we were subsequently cleared into position again with no further problems. We are used to seeing aircraft on final, normally for the other runway (parallel) and it takes a moment to realize that they are landing on your runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B737 WAS CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 24L AT LAX. AS THE ACFT CROSSED THE HOLD LINE, THE FO SAW ANOTHER B737 ON SHORT FINAL AND TOLD THE CAPT TO STOP, WHICH HE DID. ATCT LCL CTLR REALIZED AT THIS TIME THAT THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT WAS ABOUT TO OCCUR, BUT USED WRONG CALL SIGN IN TRYING TO STOP THE TAXIING B737. THE CAPT TOLD THE TWR THEY WERE HOLDING CLR OF THE RWY AS THE B737 PASSED AND LANDED.
Narrative: WE WERE HOLDING AT 'THE PAD' FOR A RWY 24L DEP FROM LAX. THE PAD IS AT THE END OF RWY 24L FACING DOWN THE RWY. WE WERE CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD. AS WE TURNED THE CORNER AND CROSSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE, THE FO STATED THAT THE ACFT ON SHORT FINAL LOOKED LIKE IT WAS LNDG ON OUR RWY RATHER THAN RWY 24R WHICH IS NORMAL. I STOPPED SHORT OF THE RWY AND OUR COMPANY LANDED ON RWY 24L. THE TWR HAD INDEED CLRED HIM TO LAND AND US INTO POS ON THE SAME RWY. WHEN THE CTLR REALIZED THE SIT, HE ATTEMPTED SEVERAL XMISSIONS, USING WRONG CALL SIGNS, ETC. HE WAS A LITTLE FLUSTERED. WE JUST STATED THAT WE WERE HOLDING SHORT AND HE THANKED US. COMPANY LANDED UNEVENTFULLY AND WE WERE SUBSEQUENTLY CLRED INTO POS AGAIN WITH NO FURTHER PROBS. WE ARE USED TO SEEING ACFT ON FINAL, NORMALLY FOR THE OTHER RWY (PARALLEL) AND IT TAKES A MOMENT TO REALIZE THAT THEY ARE LNDG ON YOUR RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.