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A piper archer ii pilot thinks that straight-in approachs to uncontrolled airports should not be allowed. He did one and had someone making a normal pattern almost land on top of him. Near midair collision. Evasive action go around (Y).
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 350198 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199610 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : 00v |
| State Reference | CO |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : straight in approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 37 flight time total : 412 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 350198 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : nmac |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We (flight instructor and me) switched to unicom (122.7) and announced our position approximately every mi on approximately a 3-4 mi straight-in approach. On final, we heard a plane just departed announcing crosswind, verifying we were on the correct frequency. We heard and saw no other planes despite concentrated looking and discussion about looking. On rollout, the bi-wing passed us on go around. Upon discussion on ground with other pilot, we learned he was above and behind us on final from a tight closed traffic entry (he was concerned about glide distance to the runway in the biplane) and took proper and normal evasive action (go around) upon seeing us on the runway. He claimed to have announc ed his position, but we heard no communication from him and he said he didn't hear us. He did not see us until on short final and we never saw him. We became totally dependent on him seeing us -- a dangerous situation. It is the first straight-in approach I have done at 00V (and the last). Straight-in approachs at uncontrolled airports should not be allowed. Because of the radio problems, it is advisable to set the radio and then verify it is set right.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PIPER ARCHER II PLT THINKS THAT STRAIGHT-IN APCHS TO UNCTLED ARPTS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. HE DID ONE AND HAD SOMEONE MAKING A NORMAL PATTERN ALMOST LAND ON TOP OF HIM. NMAC. EVASIVE ACTION GAR (Y).
Narrative: WE (FLT INSTRUCTOR AND ME) SWITCHED TO UNICOM (122.7) AND ANNOUNCED OUR POS APPROX EVERY MI ON APPROX A 3-4 MI STRAIGHT-IN APCH. ON FINAL, WE HEARD A PLANE JUST DEPARTED ANNOUNCING XWIND, VERIFYING WE WERE ON THE CORRECT FREQ. WE HEARD AND SAW NO OTHER PLANES DESPITE CONCENTRATED LOOKING AND DISCUSSION ABOUT LOOKING. ON ROLLOUT, THE BI-WING PASSED US ON GAR. UPON DISCUSSION ON GND WITH OTHER PLT, WE LEARNED HE WAS ABOVE AND BEHIND US ON FINAL FROM A TIGHT CLOSED TFC ENTRY (HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT GLIDE DISTANCE TO THE RWY IN THE BIPLANE) AND TOOK PROPER AND NORMAL EVASIVE ACTION (GAR) UPON SEEING US ON THE RWY. HE CLAIMED TO HAVE ANNOUNC ED HIS POS, BUT WE HEARD NO COM FROM HIM AND HE SAID HE DIDN'T HEAR US. HE DID NOT SEE US UNTIL ON SHORT FINAL AND WE NEVER SAW HIM. WE BECAME TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON HIM SEEING US -- A DANGEROUS SIT. IT IS THE FIRST STRAIGHT-IN APCH I HAVE DONE AT 00V (AND THE LAST). STRAIGHT-IN APCHS AT UNCTLED ARPTS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. BECAUSE OF THE RADIO PROBS, IT IS ADVISABLE TO SET THE RADIO AND THEN VERIFY IT IS SET RIGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.