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Attributes | |
ACN | 352865 |
Time | |
Date | 199611 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dca |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 352865 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Because of the fact that dca has a reservation system, about the only way a GA plane can get into the airport is to file IFR to dulles and when you are below the clouds, cancel IFR and go to dca VFR. I do not like it or consider it safe but that is what we are stuck with for now. The clouds were at 3000 ft broken. I advised the first dulles approach controller of my intent and he put me on a heading for the east side of the airport runway 1R ILS. When I cancelled with the next controller, he was 'upset' because he did not know what I was going to do. He then told me to 'maintain VFR at or below 3000 ft.' I then went to dca approach and was vectored for the airport. I then was yelled at for being at 1500 ft (my VFR descent to dca). She told me that she did not give me permission to descend VFR below 3000 ft. I was then told to 'keep my speed up all the way down' and was given the tower 1/2 mi off end of runway 3. Tower then clears me to land but wants me to hold short of runway 30. I try but with the speed that approach wants, versus the short landing that the tower wants, I went just over the hold short lines and tower sent a plane around on runway 30. This is not a fun way to fly! VFR approachs to dca should be published so we know what to expect and where to fly!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMT PLT FAILS TO HOLD SHORT OF A XING RWY AT DCA WHEN RESTR WAS PART OF A LNDG CLRNC. PLT DEV.
Narrative: BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT DCA HAS A RESERVATION SYS, ABOUT THE ONLY WAY A GA PLANE CAN GET INTO THE ARPT IS TO FILE IFR TO DULLES AND WHEN YOU ARE BELOW THE CLOUDS, CANCEL IFR AND GO TO DCA VFR. I DO NOT LIKE IT OR CONSIDER IT SAFE BUT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE STUCK WITH FOR NOW. THE CLOUDS WERE AT 3000 FT BROKEN. I ADVISED THE FIRST DULLES APCH CTLR OF MY INTENT AND HE PUT ME ON A HDG FOR THE E SIDE OF THE ARPT RWY 1R ILS. WHEN I CANCELLED WITH THE NEXT CTLR, HE WAS 'UPSET' BECAUSE HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO. HE THEN TOLD ME TO 'MAINTAIN VFR AT OR BELOW 3000 FT.' I THEN WENT TO DCA APCH AND WAS VECTORED FOR THE ARPT. I THEN WAS YELLED AT FOR BEING AT 1500 FT (MY VFR DSCNT TO DCA). SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE DID NOT GIVE ME PERMISSION TO DSND VFR BELOW 3000 FT. I WAS THEN TOLD TO 'KEEP MY SPD UP ALL THE WAY DOWN' AND WAS GIVEN THE TWR 1/2 MI OFF END OF RWY 3. TWR THEN CLRS ME TO LAND BUT WANTS ME TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 30. I TRY BUT WITH THE SPD THAT APCH WANTS, VERSUS THE SHORT LNDG THAT THE TWR WANTS, I WENT JUST OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINES AND TWR SENT A PLANE AROUND ON RWY 30. THIS IS NOT A FUN WAY TO FLY! VFR APCHS TO DCA SHOULD BE PUBLISHED SO WE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AND WHERE TO FLY!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.