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Attributes | |
ACN | 353446 |
Time | |
Date | 199611 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 4500 |
ASRS Report | 353446 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 4500 |
ASRS Report | 353570 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were on the jeney arrival under control of ZID and we were instructed to cross prude at 12000 ft. I responded to the instruction by saying 'cross prude at 12000 ft' and then left the frequency to check in with company for a gate assignment. When I returned to the frequency, the captain was responding to a question from the controller who had questioned our altitude of 12000 ft. He seemed to think we should have been at 13000 ft. Both the captain and I were confused since we agreed that we had been assigned 12000 ft and had verified this altitude in our response. We further confirmed that the depicted altitude on the STAR was 12000 ft expected. There was no displayed traffic on our TCASII within a 20 mi radius at the time of occurrence. The remainder of the arrival was uneventful. Whether the controller misspoke or we misheard, the fact is we ended up where he didn't think we should be. The incident reconfirms that altitude assignments are easy to miss and confusion can be eliminated by communication.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC THINKS THEY WERE CLRED TO 12000 FT WHILE ATC THINKS THEY WERE CLRED TO 13000 FT.
Narrative: WE WERE ON THE JENEY ARR UNDER CTL OF ZID AND WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CROSS PRUDE AT 12000 FT. I RESPONDED TO THE INSTRUCTION BY SAYING 'CROSS PRUDE AT 12000 FT' AND THEN LEFT THE FREQ TO CHK IN WITH COMPANY FOR A GATE ASSIGNMENT. WHEN I RETURNED TO THE FREQ, THE CAPT WAS RESPONDING TO A QUESTION FROM THE CTLR WHO HAD QUESTIONED OUR ALT OF 12000 FT. HE SEEMED TO THINK WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT 13000 FT. BOTH THE CAPT AND I WERE CONFUSED SINCE WE AGREED THAT WE HAD BEEN ASSIGNED 12000 FT AND HAD VERIFIED THIS ALT IN OUR RESPONSE. WE FURTHER CONFIRMED THAT THE DEPICTED ALT ON THE STAR WAS 12000 FT EXPECTED. THERE WAS NO DISPLAYED TFC ON OUR TCASII WITHIN A 20 MI RADIUS AT THE TIME OF OCCURRENCE. THE REMAINDER OF THE ARR WAS UNEVENTFUL. WHETHER THE CTLR MISSPOKE OR WE MISHEARD, THE FACT IS WE ENDED UP WHERE HE DIDN'T THINK WE SHOULD BE. THE INCIDENT RECONFIRMS THAT ALT ASSIGNMENTS ARE EASY TO MISS AND CONFUSION CAN BE ELIMINATED BY COM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.