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Attributes | |
ACN | 354906 |
Time | |
Date | 199612 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rud |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 18000 msl bound upper : 24000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B777-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : eddf |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 21000 flight time type : 550 |
ASRS Report | 354906 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 vertical : 800 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
I was the PIC and flying a flight from chicago ohare to frankfurt germany. We left chicago about AA00 local on dec/xx/96, and had an all-night uneventful oceanic crossing. At about BA30 local we were level at FL240, 6 NM from reudeshiem NDB and in contact with frankfurt control. I received clearance to the reudeshiem NDB to hold, expect further clearance, BB59 local, to maintain airspeed, he would call the speed reduction, and to descend to FL120 at exactly 1500 FPM. I selected vertical speed and 1500 FPM down. The first officer was busy setting up the hold and doing the approach/descent checklist. The 3RD pilot was getting ATIS. I noticed our vertical speed was only 1000 FPM down and that our airspeed had increased from 320 KTS to about 328 KTS nearing vmo (maximum operating speed). I deployed the speed brakes to achieve the requested rate of descent. Now the autothrottles advanced and I retracted the speed brakes, noticing that airspeed had dropped to 305 KTS. I decided that vertical speed control was erratic and selected flight change mode of descent. Since the airspeed was low, the nose of the aircraft dropped to achieve the selected speed. Rate of descent increased to about 2100 FPM. I attempted to smoothly increase thrust and eventually achieved 1500 FPM down with 320 KTS. About this time frankfurt control instructed us to maintain FL180. We were at FL183 at this time. He asked what our rate of descent was, to which the first officer responded 1500 FPM down. As it was at that instant. He then informed us that we were only 4 mi behind and 800 ft above the preceding aircraft. He asked the other aircraft if this had caused them any problem and the response was no. No evasive action was taken and we continued to an uneventful landing. I was solely responsible for and accept responsibility for this incident. I feel that several factors contributed to this mistake. Due to the long, back of the clock, night flight we were all fatigued. In addition this was my 1ST flight after vacation and I was not as sharp as I would like to be. The TCASII on this aircraft was inoperative, so position of other aircraft were unknown. The incident occurred at a busy point in the flight when all 3 of us were occupied with different duties. Perhaps a clearance to descend at 1500 FPM or less would have been a better choice than at exactly 1500 FPM.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B777 PIC HAS PROBS MANAGING THE FMS TO MAINTAIN A DEFINED AIRSPD AND RATE OF DSCNT TO INSURE IN-TRAIL SEPARATION FROM PRECEDING ACFT IN FOREIGN AIRSPACE. POTENTIAL CONFLICT AS SPD DEV AND ALT CTL ALLOWED TO VARY.
Narrative: I WAS THE PIC AND FLYING A FLT FROM CHICAGO OHARE TO FRANKFURT GERMANY. WE LEFT CHICAGO ABOUT AA00 LCL ON DEC/XX/96, AND HAD AN ALL-NIGHT UNEVENTFUL OCEANIC XING. AT ABOUT BA30 LCL WE WERE LEVEL AT FL240, 6 NM FROM REUDESHIEM NDB AND IN CONTACT WITH FRANKFURT CTL. I RECEIVED CLRNC TO THE REUDESHIEM NDB TO HOLD, EXPECT FURTHER CLRNC, BB59 LCL, TO MAINTAIN AIRSPD, HE WOULD CALL THE SPD REDUCTION, AND TO DSND TO FL120 AT EXACTLY 1500 FPM. I SELECTED VERT SPD AND 1500 FPM DOWN. THE FO WAS BUSY SETTING UP THE HOLD AND DOING THE APCH/DSCNT CHKLIST. THE 3RD PLT WAS GETTING ATIS. I NOTICED OUR VERT SPD WAS ONLY 1000 FPM DOWN AND THAT OUR AIRSPD HAD INCREASED FROM 320 KTS TO ABOUT 328 KTS NEARING VMO (MAX OPERATING SPD). I DEPLOYED THE SPD BRAKES TO ACHIEVE THE REQUESTED RATE OF DSCNT. NOW THE AUTOTHROTTLES ADVANCED AND I RETRACTED THE SPD BRAKES, NOTICING THAT AIRSPD HAD DROPPED TO 305 KTS. I DECIDED THAT VERT SPD CTL WAS ERRATIC AND SELECTED FLT CHANGE MODE OF DSCNT. SINCE THE AIRSPD WAS LOW, THE NOSE OF THE ACFT DROPPED TO ACHIEVE THE SELECTED SPD. RATE OF DSCNT INCREASED TO ABOUT 2100 FPM. I ATTEMPTED TO SMOOTHLY INCREASE THRUST AND EVENTUALLY ACHIEVED 1500 FPM DOWN WITH 320 KTS. ABOUT THIS TIME FRANKFURT CTL INSTRUCTED US TO MAINTAIN FL180. WE WERE AT FL183 AT THIS TIME. HE ASKED WHAT OUR RATE OF DSCNT WAS, TO WHICH THE FO RESPONDED 1500 FPM DOWN. AS IT WAS AT THAT INSTANT. HE THEN INFORMED US THAT WE WERE ONLY 4 MI BEHIND AND 800 FT ABOVE THE PRECEDING ACFT. HE ASKED THE OTHER ACFT IF THIS HAD CAUSED THEM ANY PROB AND THE RESPONSE WAS NO. NO EVASIVE ACTION WAS TAKEN AND WE CONTINUED TO AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG. I WAS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR AND ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS INCIDENT. I FEEL THAT SEVERAL FACTORS CONTRIBUTED TO THIS MISTAKE. DUE TO THE LONG, BACK OF THE CLOCK, NIGHT FLT WE WERE ALL FATIGUED. IN ADDITION THIS WAS MY 1ST FLT AFTER VACATION AND I WAS NOT AS SHARP AS I WOULD LIKE TO BE. THE TCASII ON THIS ACFT WAS INOP, SO POS OF OTHER ACFT WERE UNKNOWN. THE INCIDENT OCCURRED AT A BUSY POINT IN THE FLT WHEN ALL 3 OF US WERE OCCUPIED WITH DIFFERENT DUTIES. PERHAPS A CLRNC TO DSND AT 1500 FPM OR LESS WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER CHOICE THAN AT EXACTLY 1500 FPM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.