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Attributes | |
ACN | 355234 |
Time | |
Date | 199612 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : brl |
State Reference | IA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau artcc : zob |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military Transport |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
ASRS Report | 355234 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 vertical : 1600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Air carrier X was asked to descend from FL370 to FL290, and to expedite through FL330, traffic military Y at FL350. After 1 min, aircraft departed FL370. I issued a heading of 090 degrees (approximately 70 degree turn). Aircraft was slow turning, causing loss of separation. Aircraft was also slow in descent rate (less than the required 4000 ft in 3 mins). Aircraft was TCASII equipped and reported aircraft in sight. The lack of compliance with both clrncs gives the appearance that the pilot was using TCASII to separate himself rather than strictly adhering to the issued clrncs. The aircraft did not achieve 4000 ft in 3 mins despite being asked to expedite. The aircraft was turned in excess of 70 degrees, even though only 15-20 degrees were required for separation. The aircraft did not in fact turn for 1 min, and did not achieve the 20 degrees of turn that would have provided separation. According to my initial conversation with ZAU quality assurance, there is no standard for turns issued to a pilot. My question -- when the pilot is given a turn, at what point is it the controller's responsibility, and at what point is the absence of a reasonable turn the pilot's responsibility?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARTCC RADAR CTLR ISSUED AN EXPEDITIOUS DSCNT TO AN ACR ACFT THROUGH AN OCCUPIED ALT. PLT WAS SLOW REACTING TO THE DSCNT AND A SUBSEQUENT TURN RESULTING IN LTSS.
Narrative: ACR X WAS ASKED TO DSND FROM FL370 TO FL290, AND TO EXPEDITE THROUGH FL330, TFC MIL Y AT FL350. AFTER 1 MIN, ACFT DEPARTED FL370. I ISSUED A HDG OF 090 DEGS (APPROX 70 DEG TURN). ACFT WAS SLOW TURNING, CAUSING LOSS OF SEPARATION. ACFT WAS ALSO SLOW IN DSCNT RATE (LESS THAN THE REQUIRED 4000 FT IN 3 MINS). ACFT WAS TCASII EQUIPPED AND RPTED ACFT IN SIGHT. THE LACK OF COMPLIANCE WITH BOTH CLRNCS GIVES THE APPEARANCE THAT THE PLT WAS USING TCASII TO SEPARATE HIMSELF RATHER THAN STRICTLY ADHERING TO THE ISSUED CLRNCS. THE ACFT DID NOT ACHIEVE 4000 FT IN 3 MINS DESPITE BEING ASKED TO EXPEDITE. THE ACFT WAS TURNED IN EXCESS OF 70 DEGS, EVEN THOUGH ONLY 15-20 DEGS WERE REQUIRED FOR SEPARATION. THE ACFT DID NOT IN FACT TURN FOR 1 MIN, AND DID NOT ACHIEVE THE 20 DEGS OF TURN THAT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED SEPARATION. ACCORDING TO MY INITIAL CONVERSATION WITH ZAU QUALITY ASSURANCE, THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR TURNS ISSUED TO A PLT. MY QUESTION -- WHEN THE PLT IS GIVEN A TURN, AT WHAT POINT IS IT THE CTLR'S RESPONSIBILITY, AND AT WHAT POINT IS THE ABSENCE OF A REASONABLE TURN THE PLT'S RESPONSIBILITY?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.