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Attributes | |
ACN | 355553 |
Time | |
Date | 199612 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pdx |
State Reference | OR |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 355553 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Reference pdx page 11B-1A-F4 message 3908, deletes all reference to OM and OM crossing altitude and changes final approach course to 101 degrees. Taken at face value this F4 appears to make this approach illegal by deleting the OM when there is no suitable substitute annotated on the approach plate. Dispatch contacted pdx and learned the OM was operating and monitored and the sfo chief pilot for concurrence that the approach was legal. A related question is how can these same changes not be required for the CAT 1 page?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR FLC INQUIRES ABOUT AN INTERNAL COMPANY NOTIFICATION (F4 PAGE) THAT WAS ABOUT AN APCH TO PDX. THE INFO WAS OUTDATED AND THE DISPATCHERS AND A CHIEF PLT WERE ABLE TO HAVE THE INFO UPDATED AND THE OP WENT BACK TO NORMAL. MD80, SUPER 80.
Narrative: REF PDX PAGE 11B-1A-F4 MESSAGE 3908, DELETES ALL REF TO OM AND OM XING ALT AND CHANGES FINAL APCH COURSE TO 101 DEGS. TAKEN AT FACE VALUE THIS F4 APPEARS TO MAKE THIS APCH ILLEGAL BY DELETING THE OM WHEN THERE IS NO SUITABLE SUBSTITUTE ANNOTATED ON THE APCH PLATE. DISPATCH CONTACTED PDX AND LEARNED THE OM WAS OPERATING AND MONITORED AND THE SFO CHIEF PLT FOR CONCURRENCE THAT THE APCH WAS LEGAL. A RELATED QUESTION IS HOW CAN THESE SAME CHANGES NOT BE REQUIRED FOR THE CAT 1 PAGE?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.