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Flight crew of an MD88 were cleared for a noise abatement departure of which ATC did not have the ground ILS equipment activated. Instead of talking to departure control about the problem, the captain tried to go back to the tower for acknowledgement that they could not follow the ILS. He should have given his problem to departure control since they are the controling agent after departure.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 356310 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199612 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cvg |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : cvg |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-88 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 250 |
| ASRS Report | 356310 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| Navigational Aid | Unspecified |
Narrative:
Cvg was down to single runway operations due to high winds after fropa. We were initially assigned runway 27 and was later assigned runway 18L because the wind velocity had fallen off. We were the first aircraft off runway 18L and the tower had not activated the runway 18L ILS which is used for the noise abatement climb out. We were about to alert the tower controller to this when he gave us 'maintain runway heading' with our takeoff clearance. An uneventful takeoff ensued. At 2000 ft AGL he handed us off to departure control and told us to 'fly the noise abatement.' I replied, 'unable runway 18L ILS inoperative.' he didn't acknowledge and I quickly switched to departure control. The captain overruled my action and returned to the tower frequency and never received an acknowledgement from the tower controller. We switched to departure and told him of the situation and he said he would relay the information to cvg tower. For all intents and purposes we were momentarily IMC, lost communication with tower with an illegal clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MD88 WERE CLRED FOR A NOISE ABATEMENT DEP OF WHICH ATC DID NOT HAVE THE GND ILS EQUIP ACTIVATED. INSTEAD OF TALKING TO DEP CTL ABOUT THE PROB, THE CAPT TRIED TO GO BACK TO THE TWR FOR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THEY COULD NOT FOLLOW THE ILS. HE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIS PROB TO DEP CTL SINCE THEY ARE THE CTLING AGENT AFTER DEP.
Narrative: CVG WAS DOWN TO SINGLE RWY OPS DUE TO HIGH WINDS AFTER FROPA. WE WERE INITIALLY ASSIGNED RWY 27 AND WAS LATER ASSIGNED RWY 18L BECAUSE THE WIND VELOCITY HAD FALLEN OFF. WE WERE THE FIRST ACFT OFF RWY 18L AND THE TWR HAD NOT ACTIVATED THE RWY 18L ILS WHICH IS USED FOR THE NOISE ABATEMENT CLB OUT. WE WERE ABOUT TO ALERT THE TWR CTLR TO THIS WHEN HE GAVE US 'MAINTAIN RWY HDG' WITH OUR TKOF CLRNC. AN UNEVENTFUL TKOF ENSUED. AT 2000 FT AGL HE HANDED US OFF TO DEP CTL AND TOLD US TO 'FLY THE NOISE ABATEMENT.' I REPLIED, 'UNABLE RWY 18L ILS INOP.' HE DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE AND I QUICKLY SWITCHED TO DEP CTL. THE CAPT OVERRULED MY ACTION AND RETURNED TO THE TWR FREQ AND NEVER RECEIVED AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM THE TWR CTLR. WE SWITCHED TO DEP AND TOLD HIM OF THE SIT AND HE SAID HE WOULD RELAY THE INFO TO CVG TWR. FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES WE WERE MOMENTARILY IMC, LOST COM WITH TWR WITH AN ILLEGAL CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.