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Attributes | |
ACN | 357079 |
Time | |
Date | 199612 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mwh |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mwh |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Twin Beech 18 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 3100 flight time type : 370 |
ASRS Report | 357079 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
I departed bfi at XA20 with a little less than an hour en route to moses lake, wa. I was on a downwind leg for the ILS runway 32R. The ATIS was calling the visibility a half mi in fog. I don't recall the rest of the WX. Contacting approach control, I was again advised 'visibility half mi.' when the controller gave me the base leg vector, he advised me 'RVV three sixteenths - five sixteenths, prevailing visibility one half mi.' I do know RVV stands for runway visual value, and from what I can gather, it is basically the same thing as RVR but given in fractions of mi. At a very busy point on the approach I was advised of something I wasn't sure what it meant. Can I legally shoot the approach under part 135? What is controling RVV or prevailing visibility? I did have time to glance down at the approach plate to see if RVV was mentioned on the minimums section, it was not. I was also talking to other freight pilots on a company frequency who also weren't sure what was controling, one of whom shot the approach behind me. I continued the approach and landed with the required half mi visibility.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TWIN BEECH 18 SHOT AN APCH AND LANDED WHEN THE PREVAILING VISIBILITY WAS ONE HALF MI AND THE RVV WAS GIVEN AS 5 SIXTEENTHS TO 7 SIXTEENTHS. THE MINIMUMS ARE ONE HALF MI. AFTER A DILIGENT SEARCH, RPTR WAS UNABLE TO DETERMINE, FOR SURE, WHETHER OR NOT RVV IS CTLING.
Narrative: I DEPARTED BFI AT XA20 WITH A LITTLE LESS THAN AN HR ENRTE TO MOSES LAKE, WA. I WAS ON A DOWNWIND LEG FOR THE ILS RWY 32R. THE ATIS WAS CALLING THE VISIBILITY A HALF MI IN FOG. I DON'T RECALL THE REST OF THE WX. CONTACTING APCH CTL, I WAS AGAIN ADVISED 'VISIBILITY HALF MI.' WHEN THE CTLR GAVE ME THE BASE LEG VECTOR, HE ADVISED ME 'RVV THREE SIXTEENTHS - FIVE SIXTEENTHS, PREVAILING VISIBILITY ONE HALF MI.' I DO KNOW RVV STANDS FOR RWY VISUAL VALUE, AND FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER, IT IS BASICALLY THE SAME THING AS RVR BUT GIVEN IN FRACTIONS OF MI. AT A VERY BUSY POINT ON THE APCH I WAS ADVISED OF SOMETHING I WASN'T SURE WHAT IT MEANT. CAN I LEGALLY SHOOT THE APCH UNDER PART 135? WHAT IS CTLING RVV OR PREVAILING VISIBILITY? I DID HAVE TIME TO GLANCE DOWN AT THE APCH PLATE TO SEE IF RVV WAS MENTIONED ON THE MINIMUMS SECTION, IT WAS NOT. I WAS ALSO TALKING TO OTHER FREIGHT PLTS ON A COMPANY FREQ WHO ALSO WEREN'T SURE WHAT WAS CTLING, ONE OF WHOM SHOT THE APCH BEHIND ME. I CONTINUED THE APCH AND LANDED WITH THE REQUIRED HALF MI VISIBILITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.