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An air carrier MD80 captain apparently feels uncomfortable with the 'slam dunk' VMC approachs at dfw. WX factors VMC only.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 357449 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199701 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 10500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw tower : dfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 357449 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Cleared for a visual approach runway 36L at dfw. ATC turned us to runway 7 DME out at 6000 ft. This results in a maximum effort descent, does not allow for the normal stabilized acph. A normal landing was made. This happens a lot. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: there was very little traffic when this particular incident occurred. The 'slam dunk' approachs into dfw happen only in VMC conditions. The approachs are 'not comfortable for passenger' and violate the 3 degree GS and stabilized approach principles that all acrs require. The reporter has heard other pilots talking about 'being at idle until touchdown' because of the high, close in approachs. The reporter was able to complete his approach, but knows of other pilots that have had to go around negating the attempt by the ATCT to speed up traffic flow. The reporter is now aware of the FAA safety hotline. The new dfw stars are working well in the reporter's opinion, but have not changed the 'slam dunk' situation as all of this occurs close in, in the traffic pattern.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MD80 CAPT APPARENTLY FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE 'SLAM DUNK' VMC APCHS AT DFW. WX FACTORS VMC ONLY.
Narrative: CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH RWY 36L AT DFW. ATC TURNED US TO RWY 7 DME OUT AT 6000 FT. THIS RESULTS IN A MAX EFFORT DSCNT, DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THE NORMAL STABILIZED ACPH. A NORMAL LNDG WAS MADE. THIS HAPPENS A LOT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THERE WAS VERY LITTLE TFC WHEN THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT OCCURRED. THE 'SLAM DUNK' APCHS INTO DFW HAPPEN ONLY IN VMC CONDITIONS. THE APCHS ARE 'NOT COMFORTABLE FOR PAX' AND VIOLATE THE 3 DEG GS AND STABILIZED APCH PRINCIPLES THAT ALL ACRS REQUIRE. THE RPTR HAS HEARD OTHER PLTS TALKING ABOUT 'BEING AT IDLE UNTIL TOUCHDOWN' BECAUSE OF THE HIGH, CLOSE IN APCHS. THE RPTR WAS ABLE TO COMPLETE HIS APCH, BUT KNOWS OF OTHER PLTS THAT HAVE HAD TO GAR NEGATING THE ATTEMPT BY THE ATCT TO SPD UP TFC FLOW. THE RPTR IS NOW AWARE OF THE FAA SAFETY HOTLINE. THE NEW DFW STARS ARE WORKING WELL IN THE RPTR'S OPINION, BUT HAVE NOT CHANGED THE 'SLAM DUNK' SIT AS ALL OF THIS OCCURS CLOSE IN, IN THE TFC PATTERN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.