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Attributes | |
ACN | 357470 |
Time | |
Date | 199701 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 280 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1900 |
ASRS Report | 357470 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Descending to dtw through FL180 we did not get an altimeter setting from ATC. (He gave us the descent but failed to read off the altimeter setting). We then used the altimeter off the ATIS which we thought was 30.58 because the first officer wrote it down as .58 on the paper (it was actually 29.58). We did get many leveloffs at different altitudes, but never caught by the ATC controller. Then on approach, given 2700 ft until established, cleared ILS runway 3R at dtw. We had on the autoplt for the ILS. We received a false GS and the aircraft started to descend after the GS. It then went full scale to the bottom and we also got a GPWS 'terrain, terrain' warning and we did a missed approach to 3000 ft then we were told that we were level at 2000 ft and altimeter was 29.58. We corrected and came back for the ILS runway 21R and landed (as we were on approach for runway 3R ATC was in the process of changing runways in use). We had no traffic conflicts during the event and ATC was not concerned with our 2000 ft leveloff on the missed approach so nothing further was said on the radio to approach control. But we learned a valuable lesson as far as getting the altimeter setting confirmed on descent and writing it down fully from ATIS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN LTT ACR MAKES A MISSED APCH BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE WRONG ALTIMETER SETTING AT DTW.
Narrative: DSNDING TO DTW THROUGH FL180 WE DID NOT GET AN ALTIMETER SETTING FROM ATC. (HE GAVE US THE DSCNT BUT FAILED TO READ OFF THE ALTIMETER SETTING). WE THEN USED THE ALTIMETER OFF THE ATIS WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS 30.58 BECAUSE THE FO WROTE IT DOWN AS .58 ON THE PAPER (IT WAS ACTUALLY 29.58). WE DID GET MANY LEVELOFFS AT DIFFERENT ALTS, BUT NEVER CAUGHT BY THE ATC CTLR. THEN ON APCH, GIVEN 2700 FT UNTIL ESTABLISHED, CLRED ILS RWY 3R AT DTW. WE HAD ON THE AUTOPLT FOR THE ILS. WE RECEIVED A FALSE GS AND THE ACFT STARTED TO DSND AFTER THE GS. IT THEN WENT FULL SCALE TO THE BOTTOM AND WE ALSO GOT A GPWS 'TERRAIN, TERRAIN' WARNING AND WE DID A MISSED APCH TO 3000 FT THEN WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE LEVEL AT 2000 FT AND ALTIMETER WAS 29.58. WE CORRECTED AND CAME BACK FOR THE ILS RWY 21R AND LANDED (AS WE WERE ON APCH FOR RWY 3R ATC WAS IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING RWYS IN USE). WE HAD NO TFC CONFLICTS DURING THE EVENT AND ATC WAS NOT CONCERNED WITH OUR 2000 FT LEVELOFF ON THE MISSED APCH SO NOTHING FURTHER WAS SAID ON THE RADIO TO APCH CTL. BUT WE LEARNED A VALUABLE LESSON AS FAR AS GETTING THE ALTIMETER SETTING CONFIRMED ON DSCNT AND WRITING IT DOWN FULLY FROM ATIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.