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Attributes | |
ACN | 357479 |
Time | |
Date | 199701 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lgw |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : go around landing other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 357479 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 2000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were holding short of runway 8R on 'east south' taxiway at london's gatwick airport. 2 other heavy jets had just taken off with very tight departure spacing and there was no traffic I could see on final. As soon as the jet before us was airborne, both my captain and I understood the tower controller to say: '(our call sign), traffic (aircraft call sign/type) on a 3 1/2 mi final, line-up runway 8R.' I specifically read back: '(our call sign), cleared to line-up runway 8R,' with no mention of a conditional clearance. I looked again for traffic and saw the final approach traffic just under the clouds about 3 mi out. I thought there was ample spacing for our takeoff between the departing and arriving traffic and expected tower to clear us for takeoff as we taxied into position. We then taxied onto the runway and held in position for takeoff while the jet in front of us departed. After about 1 min since receiving our runway line-up clearance, the tower abruptly told the aircraft on final approach to go around and told us that he had cleared us to line-up on runway 8R after the final approach had landed. We were then cleared for takeoff and no other words about the conflict were said between the tower and us. I don't know exactly what caused this incident. A review of the tower radio tape recording would probably clear up the matter. It was either: 1) we possibly misunderstood the clearance. The tower controller had an english accent, used ATC terminology that differs from the FAA's, and spoke fairly fast. We were anticipating a tight departure spacing clearance and initially did not see any other traffic on final. Our anticipation may have set us up for hearing what we wanted to hear. Plus, we were operating on the 'back side of the clock' body time since we awoke at XA00 am central daylight time after a duty day that ended at XC00 am CDT the day before. 2) it is possible the tower controller misspoke and thought he said 'after traffic lands, line-up runway 8R' but in fact did not say 'after.' 3) the tower controller perhaps did say 'after' but his radio call was garbled or the word 'after' was clipped off due to clicking the microphone late. 4) the tower controller may have forgot he cleared us only to line up and waited too long to clear us for takeoff thus creating a traffic conflict. Whatever the reason for this incident, if the european controllers would follow standard FAA phraseology of not using conditional takeoff and landing clrncs, this traffic conflict would not have occurred. Conditional clrncs are 'accidents waiting to happen' and rely on perfect communications between aircrews and controllers. When aircrews read back clrncs without repeating the conditions attached (as I did), the controllers should immediately clarify the clearance so there is no misunderstanding. The bottom line is conditional clrncs should be prohibited.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A WDB FLC IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY MISUNDERSTAND CLRNC TO TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD AND TAKE THE ACTIVE RWY IN FRONT OF A LNDG ACR. THE LNDG ACR WAS ISSUED A MISSED APCH. THE CTLR CLAIMS THAT THE CLRNC WAS TO LINE UP ON RWY 8R AFTER THE LNDG TFC. THE RPTR DID NOT HEAR 'AFTER.'
Narrative: WE WERE HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 8R ON 'E SOUTH' TXWY AT LONDON'S GATWICK ARPT. 2 OTHER HVY JETS HAD JUST TAKEN OFF WITH VERY TIGHT DEP SPACING AND THERE WAS NO TFC I COULD SEE ON FINAL. AS SOON AS THE JET BEFORE US WAS AIRBORNE, BOTH MY CAPT AND I UNDERSTOOD THE TWR CTLR TO SAY: '(OUR CALL SIGN), TFC (ACFT CALL SIGN/TYPE) ON A 3 1/2 MI FINAL, LINE-UP RWY 8R.' I SPECIFICALLY READ BACK: '(OUR CALL SIGN), CLRED TO LINE-UP RWY 8R,' WITH NO MENTION OF A CONDITIONAL CLRNC. I LOOKED AGAIN FOR TFC AND SAW THE FINAL APCH TFC JUST UNDER THE CLOUDS ABOUT 3 MI OUT. I THOUGHT THERE WAS AMPLE SPACING FOR OUR TKOF BTWN THE DEPARTING AND ARRIVING TFC AND EXPECTED TWR TO CLR US FOR TKOF AS WE TAXIED INTO POS. WE THEN TAXIED ONTO THE RWY AND HELD IN POS FOR TKOF WHILE THE JET IN FRONT OF US DEPARTED. AFTER ABOUT 1 MIN SINCE RECEIVING OUR RWY LINE-UP CLRNC, THE TWR ABRUPTLY TOLD THE ACFT ON FINAL APCH TO GAR AND TOLD US THAT HE HAD CLRED US TO LINE-UP ON RWY 8R AFTER THE FINAL APCH HAD LANDED. WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR TKOF AND NO OTHER WORDS ABOUT THE CONFLICT WERE SAID BTWN THE TWR AND US. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT CAUSED THIS INCIDENT. A REVIEW OF THE TWR RADIO TAPE RECORDING WOULD PROBABLY CLR UP THE MATTER. IT WAS EITHER: 1) WE POSSIBLY MISUNDERSTOOD THE CLRNC. THE TWR CTLR HAD AN ENGLISH ACCENT, USED ATC TERMINOLOGY THAT DIFFERS FROM THE FAA'S, AND SPOKE FAIRLY FAST. WE WERE ANTICIPATING A TIGHT DEP SPACING CLRNC AND INITIALLY DID NOT SEE ANY OTHER TFC ON FINAL. OUR ANTICIPATION MAY HAVE SET US UP FOR HEARING WHAT WE WANTED TO HEAR. PLUS, WE WERE OPERATING ON THE 'BACK SIDE OF THE CLOCK' BODY TIME SINCE WE AWOKE AT XA00 AM CENTRAL DAYLIGHT TIME AFTER A DUTY DAY THAT ENDED AT XC00 AM CDT THE DAY BEFORE. 2) IT IS POSSIBLE THE TWR CTLR MISSPOKE AND THOUGHT HE SAID 'AFTER TFC LANDS, LINE-UP RWY 8R' BUT IN FACT DID NOT SAY 'AFTER.' 3) THE TWR CTLR PERHAPS DID SAY 'AFTER' BUT HIS RADIO CALL WAS GARBLED OR THE WORD 'AFTER' WAS CLIPPED OFF DUE TO CLICKING THE MIKE LATE. 4) THE TWR CTLR MAY HAVE FORGOT HE CLRED US ONLY TO LINE UP AND WAITED TOO LONG TO CLR US FOR TKOF THUS CREATING A TFC CONFLICT. WHATEVER THE REASON FOR THIS INCIDENT, IF THE EUROPEAN CTLRS WOULD FOLLOW STANDARD FAA PHRASEOLOGY OF NOT USING CONDITIONAL TKOF AND LNDG CLRNCS, THIS TFC CONFLICT WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED. CONDITIONAL CLRNCS ARE 'ACCIDENTS WAITING TO HAPPEN' AND RELY ON PERFECT COMS BTWN AIRCREWS AND CTLRS. WHEN AIRCREWS READ BACK CLRNCS WITHOUT REPEATING THE CONDITIONS ATTACHED (AS I DID), THE CTLRS SHOULD IMMEDIATELY CLARIFY THE CLRNC SO THERE IS NO MISUNDERSTANDING. THE BOTTOM LINE IS CONDITIONAL CLRNCS SHOULD BE PROHIBITED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.