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Attributes | |
ACN | 357753 |
Time | |
Date | 199701 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dag |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 24000 msl bound upper : 29000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla tower : fat |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 240 |
ASRS Report | 357753 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 16000 |
ASRS Report | 358050 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were assigned FL290 to cross jokur at FL240. Center called and asked if we were going to make the jokur crossing at FL240. We answered affirmative because daggat and bld VOR were superimposed on the HSI. DME was 8 mi. We incorrectly interpreted 16 mi to go because tail of needle #2 had swung unnoticed resulting in only 2 mi to go. Both ZLA supervisors were contacted voluntarily and both stated there was no conflict and to disregard/excused us from crossing altitude after the fact. Also lost radio contact with center for approximately 2 mins after initial call -- could not therefore resolve conflict real time. We would have asked for 360 degree turn to descent of other acceptable course of action but unable due to controller unable to hear us and radio cutting out. No one on TCASII and no conflict reported! Supplemental information from acn 358050: prior reaching dag I switched off ATC to pick up ATIS for las. I noticed we were approximately 12 mi southwest of dag at the time. When I came back (after listening to the automatic voice for several cycles!) the first officer was saying we would make the restr.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG MISSED ALT XING RESTR WHEN 1 PLT LEFT FREQ FOR ATIS AND PF LOST SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, THINKING THEY HAD MORE TIME TO MAKE THE RESTR.
Narrative: WE WERE ASSIGNED FL290 TO CROSS JOKUR AT FL240. CTR CALLED AND ASKED IF WE WERE GOING TO MAKE THE JOKUR XING AT FL240. WE ANSWERED AFFIRMATIVE BECAUSE DAGGAT AND BLD VOR WERE SUPERIMPOSED ON THE HSI. DME WAS 8 MI. WE INCORRECTLY INTERPRETED 16 MI TO GO BECAUSE TAIL OF NEEDLE #2 HAD SWUNG UNNOTICED RESULTING IN ONLY 2 MI TO GO. BOTH ZLA SUPVRS WERE CONTACTED VOLUNTARILY AND BOTH STATED THERE WAS NO CONFLICT AND TO DISREGARD/EXCUSED US FROM XING ALT AFTER THE FACT. ALSO LOST RADIO CONTACT WITH CTR FOR APPROX 2 MINS AFTER INITIAL CALL -- COULD NOT THEREFORE RESOLVE CONFLICT REAL TIME. WE WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR 360 DEG TURN TO DSCNT OF OTHER ACCEPTABLE COURSE OF ACTION BUT UNABLE DUE TO CTLR UNABLE TO HEAR US AND RADIO CUTTING OUT. NO ONE ON TCASII AND NO CONFLICT RPTED! SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 358050: PRIOR REACHING DAG I SWITCHED OFF ATC TO PICK UP ATIS FOR LAS. I NOTICED WE WERE APPROX 12 MI SW OF DAG AT THE TIME. WHEN I CAME BACK (AFTER LISTENING TO THE AUTO VOICE FOR SEVERAL CYCLES!) THE FO WAS SAYING WE WOULD MAKE THE RESTR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.