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Medium large transport crew missed a vector from base leg to final approach at lax. They were then vectored through the final and then left to a downwind for eventual setup on runway 25L. A subsequent runway change without warning caused the crew some consternation. Flight crew was lacking in situational awareness.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 357731 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199701 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : cos |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 350 |
| ASRS Report | 357731 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 30 |
| ASRS Report | 357730 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flying into lax on sadde 6 cleared to fly 070 degrees after smo. Several vectors after smo cleared to 2500 ft turned base. We missed a turn given by ATC then were told to turn to another heading and we would be vectored eastbound to a downwind. Were not told of runway change. We were later cleared to turn to intercept runway 25L localizer at 2500 ft. We had to change frequency, etc, were told we were 1 mi north of runway 25L localizer. Told to call ATC approach control. Supplemental information from acn 357730: I apparently missed a subsequent heading to turn base. There was a speed restr and altitude change that we read back, but ATC said we missed heading.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG CREW MISSED A VECTOR FROM BASE LEG TO FINAL APCH AT LAX. THEY WERE THEN VECTORED THROUGH THE FINAL AND THEN LEFT TO A DOWNWIND FOR EVENTUAL SETUP ON RWY 25L. A SUBSEQUENT RWY CHANGE WITHOUT WARNING CAUSED THE CREW SOME CONSTERNATION. FLC WAS LACKING IN SITUATIONAL AWARENESS.
Narrative: FLYING INTO LAX ON SADDE 6 CLRED TO FLY 070 DEGS AFTER SMO. SEVERAL VECTORS AFTER SMO CLRED TO 2500 FT TURNED BASE. WE MISSED A TURN GIVEN BY ATC THEN WERE TOLD TO TURN TO ANOTHER HEADING AND WE WOULD BE VECTORED EBOUND TO A DOWNWIND. WERE NOT TOLD OF RWY CHANGE. WE WERE LATER CLRED TO TURN TO INTERCEPT RWY 25L LOC AT 2500 FT. WE HAD TO CHANGE FREQ, ETC, WERE TOLD WE WERE 1 MI N OF RWY 25L LOC. TOLD TO CALL ATC APCH CTL. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 357730: I APPARENTLY MISSED A SUBSEQUENT HEADING TO TURN BASE. THERE WAS A SPD RESTR AND ALT CHANGE THAT WE READ BACK, BUT ATC SAID WE MISSED HEADING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.