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Attributes | |
ACN | 358161 |
Time | |
Date | 199701 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mzz |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : slc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-32 Cherokee Six/Lance/Saratoga |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around landing other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3800 flight time type : 8 |
ASRS Report | 358161 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 1500 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 357916 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was giving dual training to a 2000 hour pilot in his piper lance as a part of the wings program. We had already done 1+ hour of air work and had done 2 short field takeoffs and lndgs and a flawless go around. I simulated an engine failure by reducing the throttle to idle in the downwind for runway 22. The obvious course of action was to line up on runway 33 which he did immediately. He reached for the gear and hesitated, wanting to be sure we had the field made. I was coaching him, too fast, too high, flaps, forward slip, etc. We leveled off fast, 2 notches of flaps about the midpoint on 3600 ft. I was beginning to consider calling for a go around. The gear horn was working fine, but we had both become oblivious to it having come from practicing airwork. Although we had a propeller strike, the pilot recognized that the gear was up and initiated a go around. We came around and landed without incident but upon inspecting the aircraft discovered minor propeller damage. Supplemental information from acn 357916: I started to round out and flare and realized the gear was not extended. I hit the propeller and throttle and went around. The abnormal situation and the prior airwork with the gear horn on apparently dulled my sensitivity to the warning horn and light. Also, I was concentrating very intently on the dead stick landing. I never thought about the normal gumps check I always use on short final.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PROP STRIKE IN GEAR UP APCH. SUBSEQUENT GAR IN A PA32 PIPER LANCE. CFI HAD SIMULATED AN EMER LNDG DRILL AND BOTH PLTS FAILED TO HEED GEAR WARNING HORN.
Narrative: I WAS GIVING DUAL TRAINING TO A 2000 HR PLT IN HIS PIPER LANCE AS A PART OF THE WINGS PROGRAM. WE HAD ALREADY DONE 1+ HR OF AIR WORK AND HAD DONE 2 SHORT FIELD TKOFS AND LNDGS AND A FLAWLESS GAR. I SIMULATED AN ENG FAILURE BY REDUCING THE THROTTLE TO IDLE IN THE DOWNWIND FOR RWY 22. THE OBVIOUS COURSE OF ACTION WAS TO LINE UP ON RWY 33 WHICH HE DID IMMEDIATELY. HE REACHED FOR THE GEAR AND HESITATED, WANTING TO BE SURE WE HAD THE FIELD MADE. I WAS COACHING HIM, TOO FAST, TOO HIGH, FLAPS, FORWARD SLIP, ETC. WE LEVELED OFF FAST, 2 NOTCHES OF FLAPS ABOUT THE MIDPOINT ON 3600 FT. I WAS BEGINNING TO CONSIDER CALLING FOR A GAR. THE GEAR HORN WAS WORKING FINE, BUT WE HAD BOTH BECOME OBLIVIOUS TO IT HAVING COME FROM PRACTICING AIRWORK. ALTHOUGH WE HAD A PROP STRIKE, THE PLT RECOGNIZED THAT THE GEAR WAS UP AND INITIATED A GAR. WE CAME AROUND AND LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT BUT UPON INSPECTING THE ACFT DISCOVERED MINOR PROP DAMAGE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 357916: I STARTED TO ROUND OUT AND FLARE AND REALIZED THE GEAR WAS NOT EXTENDED. I HIT THE PROP AND THROTTLE AND WENT AROUND. THE ABNORMAL SIT AND THE PRIOR AIRWORK WITH THE GEAR HORN ON APPARENTLY DULLED MY SENSITIVITY TO THE WARNING HORN AND LIGHT. ALSO, I WAS CONCENTRATING VERY INTENTLY ON THE DEAD STICK LNDG. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE NORMAL GUMPS CHK I ALWAYS USE ON SHORT FINAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.