Light transport altitude deviation altitude undershot. Descending traffic. Altitude crossing restr n...

Attributes
ACN	359313
Time
Date	199701
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : jfk
State Reference	NY
Altitude	msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 11000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zny
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival other enroute : direct enroute : on vectors enroute airway : zny
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 500
ASRS Report	359313
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : insufficient time
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Crew received a clearance to cross ziggi at 8000 ft. First officer (PNF) acknowledged clearance and captain began slow descent upon receipt of crossing clearance. First officer told captain ziggi was 37 DME from 210 degree radial, jfk VOR. First officer left radio to notify company of arrival time and returned to frequency. Crew received frequency change and first officer acknowledged and changed frequencys. Upon checking in with new frequency, first officer realized aircraft was passing ziggi and was only descending through 11000 ft. Upon saying something to captain about not meeting crossing restr, captain said he thought ziggi was at 24 DME. No traffic conflict. ATC never said anything about not meeting restr. Need better total awareness from both crew members.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LTT ALTDEV ALT UNDERSHOT. DSNDING TFC. ALT XING RESTR NOT MET.

Narrative: CREW RECEIVED A CLRNC TO CROSS ZIGGI AT 8000 FT. FO (PNF) ACKNOWLEDGED CLRNC AND CAPT BEGAN SLOW DSCNT UPON RECEIPT OF XING CLRNC. FO TOLD CAPT ZIGGI WAS 37 DME FROM 210 DEG RADIAL, JFK VOR. FO LEFT RADIO TO NOTIFY COMPANY OF ARR TIME AND RETURNED TO FREQ. CREW RECEIVED FREQ CHANGE AND FO ACKNOWLEDGED AND CHANGED FREQS. UPON CHKING IN WITH NEW FREQ, FO REALIZED ACFT WAS PASSING ZIGGI AND WAS ONLY DSNDING THROUGH 11000 FT. UPON SAYING SOMETHING TO CAPT ABOUT NOT MEETING XING RESTR, CAPT SAID HE THOUGHT ZIGGI WAS AT 24 DME. NO TFC CONFLICT. ATC NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT NOT MEETING RESTR. NEED BETTER TOTAL AWARENESS FROM BOTH CREW MEMBERS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Light transport altitude deviation altitude undershot. Descending traffic. Altitude crossing restr not met.