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Air carrier report on an alleged unauthorized runway entry. Clearance interpretation readback hearback disputed.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 359950 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199702 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
| Route In Use | approach : straight in arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 359950 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| ASRS Report | 359949 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : far non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | vertical : 800 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Error other |
Narrative:
Taxiing to the full length of runway 25R for takeoff, a commuter aircraft ahead of us was given clearance for takeoff. After the commuter aircraft acknowledged the takeoff clearance, we were issued a clearance to taxi into position and hold on runway 25R. Approximately 1 min on the runway we heard an aircraft announce that they were going around. After the tower controller acknowledged the aircraft going around, he told us we were cleared to hold short on runway 25R only. I recall hearing the controller issue a taxi into position and hold on runway 25R and the first officer acknowledging the clearance. I do not recall hearing hold short instructions. Supplemental information from acn 359949: an L1011 was cleared across runway 25R. A hold short instruction in this case would not have been necessary and in this case could be potentially confusing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR RPT ON AN ALLEGED UNAUTH RWY ENTRY. CLRNC INTERP READBACK HEARBACK DISPUTED.
Narrative: TAXIING TO THE FULL LENGTH OF RWY 25R FOR TKOF, A COMMUTER ACFT AHEAD OF US WAS GIVEN CLRNC FOR TKOF. AFTER THE COMMUTER ACFT ACKNOWLEDGED THE TKOF CLRNC, WE WERE ISSUED A CLRNC TO TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 25R. APPROX 1 MIN ON THE RWY WE HEARD AN ACFT ANNOUNCE THAT THEY WERE GOING AROUND. AFTER THE TWR CTLR ACKNOWLEDGED THE ACFT GOING AROUND, HE TOLD US WE WERE CLRED TO HOLD SHORT ON RWY 25R ONLY. I RECALL HEARING THE CTLR ISSUE A TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 25R AND THE FO ACKNOWLEDGING THE CLRNC. I DO NOT RECALL HEARING HOLD SHORT INSTRUCTIONS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 359949: AN L1011 WAS CLRED ACROSS RWY 25R. A HOLD SHORT INSTRUCTION IN THIS CASE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NECESSARY AND IN THIS CASE COULD BE POTENTIALLY CONFUSING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.