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When the instructor of a pilot training flight in a PA38 attempted to comply with the tower's instructions to enter a right downwind leg for the runway, they were subsequently advised that they were nearing class C airspace! Therefore, the reporter asked for, and received, clearance for a right base entry in lieu of a downwind entry.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 361480 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199702 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lou |
| State Reference | KY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1800 msl bound upper : 1800 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lou tower : lou tower : bos |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | PA-38 Tomahawk |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 2700 flight time type : 120 |
| ASRS Report | 361480 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were ending an instructional hour by flying from jvy to lou. Lou tower told us to enter right downwind for runway 24. I've flown this short hop 100 times, but always to right base entry when runway 24 is in use. So the right downwind entry was most unusual, but we flew a path to make the entry. Bowman tower advised we were nearing sdf class C airspace. I replied that complying with a right downwind entry just couldn't work and asked for right base entry, which was approved. I'm not sure if we entered sdf class C airspace, but I know that, once warned, we made every effort to exit the area. Safety was not compromised. I think the controller who gave us a right downwind entry made a mistake. I know I will decline such an entry in the future. With the class C confign around sdf, a standard right downwind entry cannot be flown properly.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WHEN THE INSTRUCTOR OF A PLT TRAINING FLT IN A PA38 ATTEMPTED TO COMPLY WITH THE TWR'S INSTRUCTIONS TO ENTER A R DOWNWIND LEG FOR THE RWY, THEY WERE SUBSEQUENTLY ADVISED THAT THEY WERE NEARING CLASS C AIRSPACE! THEREFORE, THE RPTR ASKED FOR, AND RECEIVED, CLRNC FOR A R BASE ENTRY IN LIEU OF A DOWNWIND ENTRY.
Narrative: WE WERE ENDING AN INSTRUCTIONAL HR BY FLYING FROM JVY TO LOU. LOU TWR TOLD US TO ENTER R DOWNWIND FOR RWY 24. I'VE FLOWN THIS SHORT HOP 100 TIMES, BUT ALWAYS TO R BASE ENTRY WHEN RWY 24 IS IN USE. SO THE R DOWNWIND ENTRY WAS MOST UNUSUAL, BUT WE FLEW A PATH TO MAKE THE ENTRY. BOWMAN TWR ADVISED WE WERE NEARING SDF CLASS C AIRSPACE. I REPLIED THAT COMPLYING WITH A R DOWNWIND ENTRY JUST COULDN'T WORK AND ASKED FOR R BASE ENTRY, WHICH WAS APPROVED. I'M NOT SURE IF WE ENTERED SDF CLASS C AIRSPACE, BUT I KNOW THAT, ONCE WARNED, WE MADE EVERY EFFORT TO EXIT THE AREA. SAFETY WAS NOT COMPROMISED. I THINK THE CTLR WHO GAVE US A R DOWNWIND ENTRY MADE A MISTAKE. I KNOW I WILL DECLINE SUCH AN ENTRY IN THE FUTURE. WITH THE CLASS C CONFIGN AROUND SDF, A STANDARD R DOWNWIND ENTRY CANNOT BE FLOWN PROPERLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.