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Attributes | |
ACN | 362369 |
Time | |
Date | 199702 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-83 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 362369 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5100 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 362376 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Captain was PNF on a visual approach to runway 24L at lax. During the turn from base to final, captain noticed that the ground track was progressively moving south of desired extended localizer course and immediately advised the first officer to correct north. First officer complied and a non eventful landing was made on runway 24R. Both pilots had visually acquired the traffic to follow and were doing so. During the turn from base to final, captain noticed a 'pop up' TCASII target that was just outside the 2 mi range ring on the TCASII indicator. Target showed 1000 ft below and descending, which did not activate any TA or RA warnings. Captain verbally expressed concern to the first officer regarding the target, which apparently distraction the first officer long enough to decrease his bank angle in the turn to help look for the traffic. The resultant turn rate put the aircraft south of the localizer course, and was corrected as soon as it was noticed. There were no traffic conflicts either from TCASII or ATC. Total time south of localizer track is estimated 5-7 seconds. ATC made no mention of the ground track or any TA's during the approach. Captain believes that the 'xfer of responsibility' for visual traffic separation was an additional factor. Whether the 'pop-up' target was actually there or not, we have been unable to resolve. Since there was no advisory communication from ATC, we can only assume that it was either 1) a TCASII malfunction, or 2) the traffic was there but ATC assumed we had them in sight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD83 ON VECTOR FOR APCH RWY 24R TO FOLLOW ACFT ON RWY 24L. TFC IN SIGHT AND CAPT ADVISED FO, PF, HAD TCASII TARGET BUT NO TA OR RA. FO DECREASED RATE OF TURN AND ENDED S OF TRACK. NO CONFLICT OR COMMENT FROM CTLR.
Narrative: CAPT WAS PNF ON A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 24L AT LAX. DURING THE TURN FROM BASE TO FINAL, CAPT NOTICED THAT THE GND TRACK WAS PROGRESSIVELY MOVING S OF DESIRED EXTENDED LOC COURSE AND IMMEDIATELY ADVISED THE FO TO CORRECT N. FO COMPLIED AND A NON EVENTFUL LNDG WAS MADE ON RWY 24R. BOTH PLTS HAD VISUALLY ACQUIRED THE TFC TO FOLLOW AND WERE DOING SO. DURING THE TURN FROM BASE TO FINAL, CAPT NOTICED A 'POP UP' TCASII TARGET THAT WAS JUST OUTSIDE THE 2 MI RANGE RING ON THE TCASII INDICATOR. TARGET SHOWED 1000 FT BELOW AND DSNDING, WHICH DID NOT ACTIVATE ANY TA OR RA WARNINGS. CAPT VERBALLY EXPRESSED CONCERN TO THE FO REGARDING THE TARGET, WHICH APPARENTLY DISTR THE FO LONG ENOUGH TO DECREASE HIS BANK ANGLE IN THE TURN TO HELP LOOK FOR THE TFC. THE RESULTANT TURN RATE PUT THE ACFT S OF THE LOC COURSE, AND WAS CORRECTED AS SOON AS IT WAS NOTICED. THERE WERE NO TFC CONFLICTS EITHER FROM TCASII OR ATC. TOTAL TIME S OF LOC TRACK IS ESTIMATED 5-7 SECONDS. ATC MADE NO MENTION OF THE GND TRACK OR ANY TA'S DURING THE APCH. CAPT BELIEVES THAT THE 'XFER OF RESPONSIBILITY' FOR VISUAL TFC SEPARATION WAS AN ADDITIONAL FACTOR. WHETHER THE 'POP-UP' TARGET WAS ACTUALLY THERE OR NOT, WE HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO RESOLVE. SINCE THERE WAS NO ADVISORY COM FROM ATC, WE CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT IT WAS EITHER 1) A TCASII MALFUNCTION, OR 2) THE TFC WAS THERE BUT ATC ASSUMED WE HAD THEM IN SIGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.