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Attributes | |
ACN | 362858 |
Time | |
Date | 199703 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sna |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sna |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 362858 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
The flight release from pit to sna showed arrival fuel of 5000 pounds with no alternate. Reserve fuel was 3700 pounds which provided us with 45 mins of flying time. Due to stronger than forecast winds, we anticipated arriving at sna very close to our reserve fuel requirement of 3700 pounds. We informed our dispatcher of the strong winds and arrival fuel through ACARS messages and position reports. The dispatcher sent us a message indicating that we should expect no ATC delays into sna. The WX was excellent. I assumed that our dispatcher phoned ahead to socal approach control to determine if there were any possible ATC delays. After determining that there would be no delays, he then sent us an ACARS message indicating so. While on the kayoh 3 arrival northeast of the dawna intersection, approach control gave us a clearance direct to the snake intersection on the runway 19R ILS for sna. (We had not yet mentioned any minimum fuel condition to ATC.) the captain said to ATC, 'you must have known we were coming,' and then he advised ATC of our minimum fuel status. At this point we had 4800 pounds of fuel on board. We changed frequencys to the final approach controller. This controller asked us for our remaining fuel in mins. The captain said 45 mins. The remaining approach and landing was uneventful. Upon taxi to the gate, we were informed by our operations that the FAA had called and asked that we not fuel the aircraft until they arrive to visually inspect the gauges. We arrived at the gate with 4100 pounds of fuel. I found the FAA's request to be irregular. Because of an anticipated lengthy wait for the FAA officials, some phone calls were made and we were allowed to fuel the aircraft to avoid delaying the outbound flight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-300 LANDED WITH 4100 LBS OF FUEL. MINIMUM FUEL IS 3700 LBS. FLC TOLD ATC THEY HAD MINIMUM FUEL WITHOUT EXPLAINING THAT THEY STILL HAD LEGAL FUEL BUT WERE GETTING SHORT. ATC DECLARED AN EMER FOR THEM. FAA WANTED TO STICK THE TANKS.
Narrative: THE FLT RELEASE FROM PIT TO SNA SHOWED ARR FUEL OF 5000 LBS WITH NO ALTERNATE. RESERVE FUEL WAS 3700 LBS WHICH PROVIDED US WITH 45 MINS OF FLYING TIME. DUE TO STRONGER THAN FORECAST WINDS, WE ANTICIPATED ARRIVING AT SNA VERY CLOSE TO OUR RESERVE FUEL REQUIREMENT OF 3700 LBS. WE INFORMED OUR DISPATCHER OF THE STRONG WINDS AND ARR FUEL THROUGH ACARS MESSAGES AND POS RPTS. THE DISPATCHER SENT US A MESSAGE INDICATING THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT NO ATC DELAYS INTO SNA. THE WX WAS EXCELLENT. I ASSUMED THAT OUR DISPATCHER PHONED AHEAD TO SOCAL APCH CTL TO DETERMINE IF THERE WERE ANY POSSIBLE ATC DELAYS. AFTER DETERMINING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO DELAYS, HE THEN SENT US AN ACARS MESSAGE INDICATING SO. WHILE ON THE KAYOH 3 ARR NE OF THE DAWNA INTXN, APCH CTL GAVE US A CLRNC DIRECT TO THE SNAKE INTXN ON THE RWY 19R ILS FOR SNA. (WE HAD NOT YET MENTIONED ANY MINIMUM FUEL CONDITION TO ATC.) THE CAPT SAID TO ATC, 'YOU MUST HAVE KNOWN WE WERE COMING,' AND THEN HE ADVISED ATC OF OUR MINIMUM FUEL STATUS. AT THIS POINT WE HAD 4800 LBS OF FUEL ON BOARD. WE CHANGED FREQS TO THE FINAL APCH CTLR. THIS CTLR ASKED US FOR OUR REMAINING FUEL IN MINS. THE CAPT SAID 45 MINS. THE REMAINING APCH AND LNDG WAS UNEVENTFUL. UPON TAXI TO THE GATE, WE WERE INFORMED BY OUR OPS THAT THE FAA HAD CALLED AND ASKED THAT WE NOT FUEL THE ACFT UNTIL THEY ARRIVE TO VISUALLY INSPECT THE GAUGES. WE ARRIVED AT THE GATE WITH 4100 LBS OF FUEL. I FOUND THE FAA'S REQUEST TO BE IRREGULAR. BECAUSE OF AN ANTICIPATED LENGTHY WAIT FOR THE FAA OFFICIALS, SOME PHONE CALLS WERE MADE AND WE WERE ALLOWED TO FUEL THE ACFT TO AVOID DELAYING THE OUTBOUND FLT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.