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Attributes | |
ACN | 363010 |
Time | |
Date | 199703 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 25000 msl bound upper : 31000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 34212 flight time type : 2626 |
ASRS Report | 363010 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 2700 |
ASRS Report | 363008 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : declared emergency none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
This event happened on flight XXX ord-hnl DC10-30, I was the operating so on this flight. This aircraft was also configured to ferry an engine located between engine #1 and the fuselage. At about cruise level off (FL310) approaching cruise airspeed, the aircraft began to vibrate, the crew initially thought it to be the inset of mach buffet -- but why at such a low mach (.75)? As the captain disengaged the autothrottles and began to decrease thrust, the aircraft began to increase in vibration as if it might begin to stall. The captain began to throttle back -- asked the first officer to tell ATC we were descending and we are in trouble and will explain later. Got the clearance, however, the aircraft was still violently vibrating and beginning to yaw to the point that the leading edge devices extended automatically and the stick shaker began to shake. The captain attempted several altitudes and airspds during the descent while the aircraft kept shuddering and the devices kept deploying along with intermittent stick shaking down to about 25000 ft when all the above stopped. Level off and clearance was established at that altitude for clearance to return to ord for landing after receiving the present WX there. After the aircraft settled down I went to the rear just aft of door 2L where I could view part of the engine we were ferrying to see if it was loose, or if the fairing had come off that engine or for that matter anything unusual. As I was leaning over some passenger they remarked that during all the vibrations they were looking at both engines and the wing. All 2 rows of passenger corroborated the same scenario of the following: while this was all happening both engines were 'swaying back and forth and the wing was waving up and down -- sort of like a bird' however the ferrying engine did not appear to be loose or acting differently than the #1 engine. I returned to the cabin and related the same. Fuel was dumped and slow flight was conducted above the overcast in a landing confign with turns and dscnts which to our relief, resulted in no problems. Clearance for an approach into ord was obtained and a normal landing was accomplished. None of this flight crew can determine what caused such a phenomenon as none of us had encountered such an accelerated airframe vibration before. During my experience while flying A7 attack aircraft in the military was a maneuver called a 'departure,' in which the aircraft pitched up slightly went into a slight accelerated stall maneuver while losing altitude rapidly, sort of in a flat spin... Although there was no spin associated with this instance, the airframe vibration was similar. Another relation would be flying into a jet blast tossing the aircraft around and add, with airframe vibrations. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter was an experienced pilot of the DC10 as well as being the so on this flight. He stated that when the engine to be ferried was added to the aircraft, the central air data computer was replaced. It was replaced because the engine ferry requires it to be replaced with a central air data computer of its own. The aircraft was leveled at FL305 and checked to make certain all was well. Shortly after the aircraft leveled at FL310, the vibration started. Mach was .75 and soon the leading edge slats started to extend, and stick shaker came into motion. The aircraft was slowly descended to lower altitudes until at FL250 the aircraft stopped the vibration. Then an emergency was declared and the aircraft was returned to the point of departure, ord. Flight crew and flight mgrs met with others from maintenance and reviewed all happenings. No determination as to why it happened has been made. Entire aircraft was shaking and all passenger knew something was wrong. Flight crew suspected something wrong with the 4TH engine mounting, maintenance suspects their airspeed indicators were wrong because the central air data computer that came with the 4TH engine was in error. Only thing found wrong was the bolts that held the 4TH engine were too long and as a result, they punctured the fuel tank in the wing. Supplemental information from acn 363008: leveled at FL305 and got an altitude readout from ZAU. Continued climb to FL310. At level off we started to feel and hear a vibration. We all thought that the 4TH engine pod was loose, the vibration got very intense, very quickly. The captain reduced power, but the vibration continued. We reduced power to try and find a speed to stop the vibrations. We had to reduce power all the way back to automatic slats extend speed. We took a descent to FL240 and got the vibrations to stop at 260 KTS and FL240. Dumped fuel (120000 pounds), did a control check and made an uneventful landing at ord. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: first officer thought they were in a deep stall all the time the aircraft was vibrating. Not only did the aircraft shake, but the loss of altitude was quick. He never thought anything felt like a mach buffet. He also added that the aircraft was on autoplt at the time of the encounter. In a conference call the next day, the maintenance people believed they had a faulty airspeed indicator. No definite cause has been given to explain why all this happened.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC10-30 ENCOUNTERS SEVERE VIBRATION DURING ENG FERRY IN ZAU AREA.
Narrative: THIS EVENT HAPPENED ON FLT XXX ORD-HNL DC10-30, I WAS THE OPERATING SO ON THIS FLT. THIS ACFT WAS ALSO CONFIGURED TO FERRY AN ENG LOCATED BTWN ENG #1 AND THE FUSELAGE. AT ABOUT CRUISE LEVEL OFF (FL310) APCHING CRUISE AIRSPD, THE ACFT BEGAN TO VIBRATE, THE CREW INITIALLY THOUGHT IT TO BE THE INSET OF MACH BUFFET -- BUT WHY AT SUCH A LOW MACH (.75)? AS THE CAPT DISENGAGED THE AUTOTHROTTLES AND BEGAN TO DECREASE THRUST, THE ACFT BEGAN TO INCREASE IN VIBRATION AS IF IT MIGHT BEGIN TO STALL. THE CAPT BEGAN TO THROTTLE BACK -- ASKED THE FO TO TELL ATC WE WERE DSNDING AND WE ARE IN TROUBLE AND WILL EXPLAIN LATER. GOT THE CLRNC, HOWEVER, THE ACFT WAS STILL VIOLENTLY VIBRATING AND BEGINNING TO YAW TO THE POINT THAT THE LEADING EDGE DEVICES EXTENDED AUTOMATICALLY AND THE STICK SHAKER BEGAN TO SHAKE. THE CAPT ATTEMPTED SEVERAL ALTS AND AIRSPDS DURING THE DSCNT WHILE THE ACFT KEPT SHUDDERING AND THE DEVICES KEPT DEPLOYING ALONG WITH INTERMITTENT STICK SHAKING DOWN TO ABOUT 25000 FT WHEN ALL THE ABOVE STOPPED. LEVEL OFF AND CLRNC WAS ESTABLISHED AT THAT ALT FOR CLRNC TO RETURN TO ORD FOR LNDG AFTER RECEIVING THE PRESENT WX THERE. AFTER THE ACFT SETTLED DOWN I WENT TO THE REAR JUST AFT OF DOOR 2L WHERE I COULD VIEW PART OF THE ENG WE WERE FERRYING TO SEE IF IT WAS LOOSE, OR IF THE FAIRING HAD COME OFF THAT ENG OR FOR THAT MATTER ANYTHING UNUSUAL. AS I WAS LEANING OVER SOME PAX THEY REMARKED THAT DURING ALL THE VIBRATIONS THEY WERE LOOKING AT BOTH ENGS AND THE WING. ALL 2 ROWS OF PAX CORROBORATED THE SAME SCENARIO OF THE FOLLOWING: WHILE THIS WAS ALL HAPPENING BOTH ENGS WERE 'SWAYING BACK AND FORTH AND THE WING WAS WAVING UP AND DOWN -- SORT OF LIKE A BIRD' HOWEVER THE FERRYING ENG DID NOT APPEAR TO BE LOOSE OR ACTING DIFFERENTLY THAN THE #1 ENG. I RETURNED TO THE CABIN AND RELATED THE SAME. FUEL WAS DUMPED AND SLOW FLT WAS CONDUCTED ABOVE THE OVCST IN A LNDG CONFIGN WITH TURNS AND DSCNTS WHICH TO OUR RELIEF, RESULTED IN NO PROBS. CLRNC FOR AN APCH INTO ORD WAS OBTAINED AND A NORMAL LNDG WAS ACCOMPLISHED. NONE OF THIS FLC CAN DETERMINE WHAT CAUSED SUCH A PHENOMENON AS NONE OF US HAD ENCOUNTERED SUCH AN ACCELERATED AIRFRAME VIBRATION BEFORE. DURING MY EXPERIENCE WHILE FLYING A7 ATTACK ACFT IN THE MIL WAS A MANEUVER CALLED A 'DEP,' IN WHICH THE ACFT PITCHED UP SLIGHTLY WENT INTO A SLIGHT ACCELERATED STALL MANEUVER WHILE LOSING ALT RAPIDLY, SORT OF IN A FLAT SPIN... ALTHOUGH THERE WAS NO SPIN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS INSTANCE, THE AIRFRAME VIBRATION WAS SIMILAR. ANOTHER RELATION WOULD BE FLYING INTO A JET BLAST TOSSING THE ACFT AROUND AND ADD, WITH AIRFRAME VIBRATIONS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS AN EXPERIENCED PLT OF THE DC10 AS WELL AS BEING THE SO ON THIS FLT. HE STATED THAT WHEN THE ENG TO BE FERRIED WAS ADDED TO THE ACFT, THE CENTRAL AIR DATA COMPUTER WAS REPLACED. IT WAS REPLACED BECAUSE THE ENG FERRY REQUIRES IT TO BE REPLACED WITH A CENTRAL AIR DATA COMPUTER OF ITS OWN. THE ACFT WAS LEVELED AT FL305 AND CHKED TO MAKE CERTAIN ALL WAS WELL. SHORTLY AFTER THE ACFT LEVELED AT FL310, THE VIBRATION STARTED. MACH WAS .75 AND SOON THE LEADING EDGE SLATS STARTED TO EXTEND, AND STICK SHAKER CAME INTO MOTION. THE ACFT WAS SLOWLY DSNDED TO LOWER ALTS UNTIL AT FL250 THE ACFT STOPPED THE VIBRATION. THEN AN EMER WAS DECLARED AND THE ACFT WAS RETURNED TO THE POINT OF DEP, ORD. FLC AND FLT MGRS MET WITH OTHERS FROM MAINT AND REVIEWED ALL HAPPENINGS. NO DETERMINATION AS TO WHY IT HAPPENED HAS BEEN MADE. ENTIRE ACFT WAS SHAKING AND ALL PAX KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG. FLC SUSPECTED SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE 4TH ENG MOUNTING, MAINT SUSPECTS THEIR AIRSPD INDICATORS WERE WRONG BECAUSE THE CENTRAL AIR DATA COMPUTER THAT CAME WITH THE 4TH ENG WAS IN ERROR. ONLY THING FOUND WRONG WAS THE BOLTS THAT HELD THE 4TH ENG WERE TOO LONG AND AS A RESULT, THEY PUNCTURED THE FUEL TANK IN THE WING. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 363008: LEVELED AT FL305 AND GOT AN ALT READOUT FROM ZAU. CONTINUED CLB TO FL310. AT LEVEL OFF WE STARTED TO FEEL AND HEAR A VIBRATION. WE ALL THOUGHT THAT THE 4TH ENG POD WAS LOOSE, THE VIBRATION GOT VERY INTENSE, VERY QUICKLY. THE CAPT REDUCED PWR, BUT THE VIBRATION CONTINUED. WE REDUCED PWR TO TRY AND FIND A SPD TO STOP THE VIBRATIONS. WE HAD TO REDUCE PWR ALL THE WAY BACK TO AUTO SLATS EXTEND SPD. WE TOOK A DSCNT TO FL240 AND GOT THE VIBRATIONS TO STOP AT 260 KTS AND FL240. DUMPED FUEL (120000 LBS), DID A CTL CHK AND MADE AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG AT ORD. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: FO THOUGHT THEY WERE IN A DEEP STALL ALL THE TIME THE ACFT WAS VIBRATING. NOT ONLY DID THE ACFT SHAKE, BUT THE LOSS OF ALT WAS QUICK. HE NEVER THOUGHT ANYTHING FELT LIKE A MACH BUFFET. HE ALSO ADDED THAT THE ACFT WAS ON AUTOPLT AT THE TIME OF THE ENCOUNTER. IN A CONFERENCE CALL THE NEXT DAY, THE MAINT PEOPLE BELIEVED THEY HAD A FAULTY AIRSPD INDICATOR. NO DEFINITE CAUSE HAS BEEN GIVEN TO EXPLAIN WHY ALL THIS HAPPENED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.