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Attributes | |
ACN | 365060 |
Time | |
Date | 199704 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : swf |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2300 msl bound upper : 2300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : swf |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 2670 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 365060 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Under day VFR, ny approach was giving us radar advisories into the swf field. As we got closer, he was trying to point out traffic to us, and when we saw it, we were turned over to the tower. Unfortunately, when I contacted swf tower, we were already in the class D by about 1 mi. There were no conflicts and the tower had no problem with our error. I believe this 'late' call to the tower was caused by our distraction with talking with approach control and locating traffic. Because we rarely operate VFR, our complacency with IFR did not force us to operate in a VFR manner. Looking back, we should have slowed, or turned while still with ny approach, and then called while 5 or 6 mi out. Although it is not ATC's responsibility to advise VFR aircraft of airspace penetration, it would have helped if we were turned over to the tower sooner.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE02 FLC ENTERS SWF CLASS D WITHOUT CALLING TWR FIRST. FO CITES FLC DISTR DURING COM WITH N90 APCH CTLR WHO HAD POINTED OUT TFC. BOTH CTLR AND FLC WERE DELAYED IN THEIR XFER TO SWF TWR. FLT WAS OPERATING UNDER VFR, NOT A NORMAL OP MODE.
Narrative: UNDER DAY VFR, NY APCH WAS GIVING US RADAR ADVISORIES INTO THE SWF FIELD. AS WE GOT CLOSER, HE WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT TFC TO US, AND WHEN WE SAW IT, WE WERE TURNED OVER TO THE TWR. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN I CONTACTED SWF TWR, WE WERE ALREADY IN THE CLASS D BY ABOUT 1 MI. THERE WERE NO CONFLICTS AND THE TWR HAD NO PROB WITH OUR ERROR. I BELIEVE THIS 'LATE' CALL TO THE TWR WAS CAUSED BY OUR DISTR WITH TALKING WITH APCH CTL AND LOCATING TFC. BECAUSE WE RARELY OPERATE VFR, OUR COMPLACENCY WITH IFR DID NOT FORCE US TO OPERATE IN A VFR MANNER. LOOKING BACK, WE SHOULD HAVE SLOWED, OR TURNED WHILE STILL WITH NY APCH, AND THEN CALLED WHILE 5 OR 6 MI OUT. ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT ATC'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ADVISE VFR ACFT OF AIRSPACE PENETRATION, IT WOULD HAVE HELPED IF WE WERE TURNED OVER TO THE TWR SOONER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.