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Attributes | |
ACN | 367700 |
Time | |
Date | 199704 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : f54 airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 23500 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 367700 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
LR25 was on an IFR flight plan, lifeguard flight, departing arlington, tx (F54) on a worth 7 departure at approximately XA35Z, talking on frequency 127.0 dfw departure and frequency 132.92 ZFW. Air carrier Y was a conflict. We had departed F54 and were given 2 or 3 vectors, the last one being a heading of 300 degrees to intercept the 262 degree radial dfw worth 7, texaco transition. We were climbing, I believe, to 12000 ft and at the time we were told of conflict we had been cleared to FL230. We were starting our turn to intercept the 262 degree radial and was told to turn an additional 30 degrees left for traffic. Before we were established on that heading we were told to turn 30 degrees right for traffic. Then we were told to fly a heading of 300 degrees, vector for traffic. Passing through FL190 we were told to maintain FL180. We told the center we were passing through FL190 and did he want us to descend and he said no, maintain FL190. During all of these vectors we heard air carrier Y being given 30 degree vectors for traffic. Each time the air carrier Y was asked to take a vector for traffic, the air carrier Y, trying to avoid the vector, told departure and/or the center that he had us, the lear jet, in sight and could maintain a visual. Before we left the frequency, we were told we were possibly part of a separation conflict and a pilot deviation, and that is why we are filing this report. We followed instructions and at no time had to take evasive action. We did not hear the air carrier Y report any evasive action to the contrary, he reported us in sight, and said he could maintain a visual. We were told before leaving the frequency, that the tapes were being reviewed and we would be further contacted if there was a problem. We were questioned about our last heading and whether it was a heading or a vector to intercept a 262 degree radial of dfw. At no time did we see the air carrier Y and it was clear with 50 mi visibility. Better safe than sorry.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A LIFEGUARD LR25 CLBING ON RADAR VECTORS TO FL230 WAS ADVISED THAT HE WAS POSSIBLY INVOLVED IN A LTSS INCIDENT WITH AN ACR MD80 THAT DID NOT WANT TO RESPOND TO THE ARTCC RADAR CTLR'S VECTORS FOR SEPARATION. THE LR25 NEVER SAW THE ACR MD80, BUT THE M80 CLAIMED HE HAD THE LR25 IN SIGHT.
Narrative: LR25 WAS ON AN IFR FLT PLAN, LIFEGUARD FLT, DEPARTING ARLINGTON, TX (F54) ON A WORTH 7 DEP AT APPROX XA35Z, TALKING ON FREQ 127.0 DFW DEP AND FREQ 132.92 ZFW. ACR Y WAS A CONFLICT. WE HAD DEPARTED F54 AND WERE GIVEN 2 OR 3 VECTORS, THE LAST ONE BEING A HDG OF 300 DEGS TO INTERCEPT THE 262 DEG RADIAL DFW WORTH 7, TEXACO TRANSITION. WE WERE CLBING, I BELIEVE, TO 12000 FT AND AT THE TIME WE WERE TOLD OF CONFLICT WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO FL230. WE WERE STARTING OUR TURN TO INTERCEPT THE 262 DEG RADIAL AND WAS TOLD TO TURN AN ADDITIONAL 30 DEGS L FOR TFC. BEFORE WE WERE ESTABLISHED ON THAT HDG WE WERE TOLD TO TURN 30 DEGS R FOR TFC. THEN WE WERE TOLD TO FLY A HDG OF 300 DEGS, VECTOR FOR TFC. PASSING THROUGH FL190 WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN FL180. WE TOLD THE CTR WE WERE PASSING THROUGH FL190 AND DID HE WANT US TO DSND AND HE SAID NO, MAINTAIN FL190. DURING ALL OF THESE VECTORS WE HEARD ACR Y BEING GIVEN 30 DEG VECTORS FOR TFC. EACH TIME THE ACR Y WAS ASKED TO TAKE A VECTOR FOR TFC, THE ACR Y, TRYING TO AVOID THE VECTOR, TOLD DEP AND/OR THE CTR THAT HE HAD US, THE LEAR JET, IN SIGHT AND COULD MAINTAIN A VISUAL. BEFORE WE LEFT THE FREQ, WE WERE TOLD WE WERE POSSIBLY PART OF A SEPARATION CONFLICT AND A PLTDEV, AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE FILING THIS RPT. WE FOLLOWED INSTRUCTIONS AND AT NO TIME HAD TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION. WE DID NOT HEAR THE ACR Y RPT ANY EVASIVE ACTION TO THE CONTRARY, HE RPTED US IN SIGHT, AND SAID HE COULD MAINTAIN A VISUAL. WE WERE TOLD BEFORE LEAVING THE FREQ, THAT THE TAPES WERE BEING REVIEWED AND WE WOULD BE FURTHER CONTACTED IF THERE WAS A PROB. WE WERE QUESTIONED ABOUT OUR LAST HDG AND WHETHER IT WAS A HDG OR A VECTOR TO INTERCEPT A 262 DEG RADIAL OF DFW. AT NO TIME DID WE SEE THE ACR Y AND IT WAS CLR WITH 50 MI VISIBILITY. BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.