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Attributes | |
ACN | 368364 |
Time | |
Date | 199705 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : yvr |
State Reference | BC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8300 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : yvr |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 125 flight time total : 2050 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 368364 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | other physical facility |
Narrative:
The following circumstances resulted in a loss of separation as advised by canadian ATC during a descent into the TCA of cyvr. I am a recently upgraded captain flying cargo-only, light jet aircraft on an extremely labor intensive, short flight from bfi to cyvr. The route consists of a SID terminating at an arrival STAR which demands a great deal of concentrating from both pilots. As PNF, I was concerned with setting up appropriate navaids, performing checklists, and attaining the current arrival ATIS. We were cleared from FL200 to descend to 9000 ft. As we approached 10000 ft I noted the copilot's high airspeed of 300 KIAS and advised 'airspeed, 1000 ft to go.' he acknowledged by deploying the air brakes to slow his airspeed. I then went back to setting the navs to the next segment of the arrival. My next glance at the instruments indicated an altitude slightly below 8800 ft. I applied maximum power with the throttles and the plane leveled again at 9000 ft. ATC prompted us about our altitude simultaneously. Upon landing we were informed that a loss of separation had occurred with a commuter dash 8 which we had overtaken from above, passed, and subsequently descended in front of. ATC further advised us that he had seen us as low as 8300 ft, and had also temporarily lost our transponder. Neither my first officer nor I touched our transponder. My questions regarding the incident turn to the differences between united states and canadian ATC altitude alerting system as well as the system ability to keep up with aircraft in climbs/dscnts. In hindsight, I will doubt my coplts more often. My first officer has twice my flight time as well as jet and turboprop experience, experience for which he had specifically been paired to me. I erred in my overconfidence in him. Secondly, it seems wise in future flts to never turn my attention to another task during the final 1000 ft prior to any leveloff.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CARGO LTT DSNDING TO 9000 FT, FLEW AT 300 KTS BELOW 10000 FT AND OVERSHOT ASSIGNED ALT BY 700 FT, GETTING AS LOW AS 8300 FT. A CONFLICT OCCURRED WITH A COMMUTER DASH 8 THAT THEY OVERTOOK AND PASSED.
Narrative: THE FOLLOWING CIRCUMSTANCES RESULTED IN A LOSS OF SEPARATION AS ADVISED BY CANADIAN ATC DURING A DSCNT INTO THE TCA OF CYVR. I AM A RECENTLY UPGRADED CAPT FLYING CARGO-ONLY, LIGHT JET ACFT ON AN EXTREMELY LABOR INTENSIVE, SHORT FLT FROM BFI TO CYVR. THE RTE CONSISTS OF A SID TERMINATING AT AN ARR STAR WHICH DEMANDS A GREAT DEAL OF CONCENTRATING FROM BOTH PLTS. AS PNF, I WAS CONCERNED WITH SETTING UP APPROPRIATE NAVAIDS, PERFORMING CHKLISTS, AND ATTAINING THE CURRENT ARR ATIS. WE WERE CLRED FROM FL200 TO DSND TO 9000 FT. AS WE APCHED 10000 FT I NOTED THE COPLT'S HIGH AIRSPD OF 300 KIAS AND ADVISED 'AIRSPD, 1000 FT TO GO.' HE ACKNOWLEDGED BY DEPLOYING THE AIR BRAKES TO SLOW HIS AIRSPD. I THEN WENT BACK TO SETTING THE NAVS TO THE NEXT SEGMENT OF THE ARR. MY NEXT GLANCE AT THE INSTS INDICATED AN ALT SLIGHTLY BELOW 8800 FT. I APPLIED MAX PWR WITH THE THROTTLES AND THE PLANE LEVELED AGAIN AT 9000 FT. ATC PROMPTED US ABOUT OUR ALT SIMULTANEOUSLY. UPON LNDG WE WERE INFORMED THAT A LOSS OF SEPARATION HAD OCCURRED WITH A COMMUTER DASH 8 WHICH WE HAD OVERTAKEN FROM ABOVE, PASSED, AND SUBSEQUENTLY DSNDED IN FRONT OF. ATC FURTHER ADVISED US THAT HE HAD SEEN US AS LOW AS 8300 FT, AND HAD ALSO TEMPORARILY LOST OUR XPONDER. NEITHER MY FO NOR I TOUCHED OUR XPONDER. MY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE INCIDENT TURN TO THE DIFFERENCES BTWN UNITED STATES AND CANADIAN ATC ALT ALERTING SYS AS WELL AS THE SYS ABILITY TO KEEP UP WITH ACFT IN CLBS/DSCNTS. IN HINDSIGHT, I WILL DOUBT MY COPLTS MORE OFTEN. MY FO HAS TWICE MY FLT TIME AS WELL AS JET AND TURBOPROP EXPERIENCE, EXPERIENCE FOR WHICH HE HAD SPECIFICALLY BEEN PAIRED TO ME. I ERRED IN MY OVERCONFIDENCE IN HIM. SECONDLY, IT SEEMS WISE IN FUTURE FLTS TO NEVER TURN MY ATTN TO ANOTHER TASK DURING THE FINAL 1000 FT PRIOR TO ANY LEVELOFF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.