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Attributes | |
ACN | 369636 |
Time | |
Date | 199705 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia artcc : muha |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 369636 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On approach to mia, with thunderstorms in the area, ZMA and mia approach control were very busy vectoring aircraft around storms. Copilot flying. While on cypress arrival mia approach control cleared us to 4000 ft, issued heading of 120 degrees to intercept runway 9R localizer. There were thunderstorms just beyond the runway 9 localizer course to the southeast. It would be a tight turn, but possible to turn inside the storms. Just prior to intercept, mia approach control issued a heading of 150 degrees which would take us into the storm now painting purple on our radar. We were also still VMC and could see the storm clearly. Captain informed mia approach control that we could not turn that direction. Mia approach control was adamant that we turn to 150 degrees. Captain informed mia approach control we would have to turn further to the south to avoid the WX. We made a high angle of bank descending r-hand turn and re-intercepted mia runway 9R localizer course as we completed the turn. The controller was still insisting that we turn back left during our r-hand turn in order to intercept the runway 9R localizer course. This would clearly jeopardize the safety of the aircraft because it would put us in the thunderstorm. We did receive a TA on TCASII and visually estimated proximity of 3 NM. Continued to normal landing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 FLC UNABLE TO ACCEPT VECTOR FROM APCH CTLR DUE TO TSTMS. APCH CTLR IS INSISTING ON THE TURN SO FLC ATTEMPTS TO ACCOMMODATE WITH A TIGHT DSNDING TURN THEN BACK ON THE LOC COURSE. TCASII TA ACTIVATES.
Narrative: ON APCH TO MIA, WITH TSTMS IN THE AREA, ZMA AND MIA APCH CTL WERE VERY BUSY VECTORING ACFT AROUND STORMS. COPLT FLYING. WHILE ON CYPRESS ARR MIA APCH CTL CLRED US TO 4000 FT, ISSUED HDG OF 120 DEGS TO INTERCEPT RWY 9R LOC. THERE WERE TSTMS JUST BEYOND THE RWY 9 LOC COURSE TO THE SE. IT WOULD BE A TIGHT TURN, BUT POSSIBLE TO TURN INSIDE THE STORMS. JUST PRIOR TO INTERCEPT, MIA APCH CTL ISSUED A HDG OF 150 DEGS WHICH WOULD TAKE US INTO THE STORM NOW PAINTING PURPLE ON OUR RADAR. WE WERE ALSO STILL VMC AND COULD SEE THE STORM CLRLY. CAPT INFORMED MIA APCH CTL THAT WE COULD NOT TURN THAT DIRECTION. MIA APCH CTL WAS ADAMANT THAT WE TURN TO 150 DEGS. CAPT INFORMED MIA APCH CTL WE WOULD HAVE TO TURN FURTHER TO THE S TO AVOID THE WX. WE MADE A HIGH ANGLE OF BANK DSNDING R-HAND TURN AND RE-INTERCEPTED MIA RWY 9R LOC COURSE AS WE COMPLETED THE TURN. THE CTLR WAS STILL INSISTING THAT WE TURN BACK L DURING OUR R-HAND TURN IN ORDER TO INTERCEPT THE RWY 9R LOC COURSE. THIS WOULD CLRLY JEOPARDIZE THE SAFETY OF THE ACFT BECAUSE IT WOULD PUT US IN THE TSTM. WE DID RECEIVE A TA ON TCASII AND VISUALLY ESTIMATED PROX OF 3 NM. CONTINUED TO NORMAL LNDG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.