T34 aircraft on training flight. Instructor pilot demonstrating landing from rear cockpit, affected ...

Attributes
ACN	369665
Time
Date	199705
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : 3o7
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : sllp
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Mentor (T-34)
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	landing other
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : private
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 705 flight time type : 141
ASRS Report	369665
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground critical inflight encounter other non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On the above date mr X and I departed the monterey airport at approximately AX45. It was mr X's maiden flight in a T34. As a result he was in the front seat and I was in the rear seat. We flew to the watsonville area where we did airwork for about 45 mins. We then decided to do some 'touch and goes' at hollister. We arrived at the hollister airport at approximately XB40. We announced our intentions on the CTAF and entered a left downwind for runway 31. On the downwind I noticed that the wind was favoring runway 24 and announced on the CTAF that we were changing our 'touch and go' maneuver to runway 24. I estimated the wind to be from 260 degrees, gusting. I took control of the aircraft and proceeded with the landing. On turning final I had the aircraft in full landing confign with wheels down and full flaps. I went through the landing checklist and had everything in order. As I flared the aircraft for landing I lost sight of the runway. The wind apparently was blowing stronger from right to left then I had anticipated and blew us to the extreme left side of the runway. At touchdown the aircraft bounced slightly and proceeded off the left side of the runway contacting a runway marker. The marker collapsed the left main landing gear, the left wingtip dug in and the aircraft did a 180 degree and came to rest on a heading of approximately 060 degrees. There were no apparent injuries to mr X or I. The visible damage to the aircraft included the collapsed left main gear and the left flap. The nosewheel did not collapse, so there was no damage to the propeller or engine. There were several things I could have done to prevent the incident. I believe I should have used less flap, and I should have applied CRM by having mr X assist me in keeping the aircraft over the centerline. I told him before we left monterey that when landing you lose sight of the runway from the rear seat, but I did not ask for his help when making the actual landing.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: T34 ACFT ON TRAINING FLT. INSTRUCTOR PLT DEMONSTRATING LNDG FROM REAR COCKPIT, AFFECTED BY XWIND DEPARTED THE SIDE OF THE RWY DAMAGING ACFT.

Narrative: ON THE ABOVE DATE MR X AND I DEPARTED THE MONTEREY ARPT AT APPROX AX45. IT WAS MR X'S MAIDEN FLT IN A T34. AS A RESULT HE WAS IN THE FRONT SEAT AND I WAS IN THE REAR SEAT. WE FLEW TO THE WATSONVILLE AREA WHERE WE DID AIRWORK FOR ABOUT 45 MINS. WE THEN DECIDED TO DO SOME 'TOUCH AND GOES' AT HOLLISTER. WE ARRIVED AT THE HOLLISTER ARPT AT APPROX XB40. WE ANNOUNCED OUR INTENTIONS ON THE CTAF AND ENTERED A L DOWNWIND FOR RWY 31. ON THE DOWNWIND I NOTICED THAT THE WIND WAS FAVORING RWY 24 AND ANNOUNCED ON THE CTAF THAT WE WERE CHANGING OUR 'TOUCH AND GO' MANEUVER TO RWY 24. I ESTIMATED THE WIND TO BE FROM 260 DEGS, GUSTING. I TOOK CTL OF THE ACFT AND PROCEEDED WITH THE LNDG. ON TURNING FINAL I HAD THE ACFT IN FULL LNDG CONFIGN WITH WHEELS DOWN AND FULL FLAPS. I WENT THROUGH THE LNDG CHKLIST AND HAD EVERYTHING IN ORDER. AS I FLARED THE ACFT FOR LNDG I LOST SIGHT OF THE RWY. THE WIND APPARENTLY WAS BLOWING STRONGER FROM R TO L THEN I HAD ANTICIPATED AND BLEW US TO THE EXTREME L SIDE OF THE RWY. AT TOUCHDOWN THE ACFT BOUNCED SLIGHTLY AND PROCEEDED OFF THE L SIDE OF THE RWY CONTACTING A RWY MARKER. THE MARKER COLLAPSED THE L MAIN LNDG GEAR, THE L WINGTIP DUG IN AND THE ACFT DID A 180 DEG AND CAME TO REST ON A HEADING OF APPROX 060 DEGS. THERE WERE NO APPARENT INJURIES TO MR X OR I. THE VISIBLE DAMAGE TO THE ACFT INCLUDED THE COLLAPSED L MAIN GEAR AND THE L FLAP. THE NOSEWHEEL DID NOT COLLAPSE, SO THERE WAS NO DAMAGE TO THE PROP OR ENG. THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS I COULD HAVE DONE TO PREVENT THE INCIDENT. I BELIEVE I SHOULD HAVE USED LESS FLAP, AND I SHOULD HAVE APPLIED CRM BY HAVING MR X ASSIST ME IN KEEPING THE ACFT OVER THE CTRLINE. I TOLD HIM BEFORE WE LEFT MONTEREY THAT WHEN LNDG YOU LOSE SIGHT OF THE RWY FROM THE REAR SEAT, BUT I DID NOT ASK FOR HIS HELP WHEN MAKING THE ACTUAL LNDG.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

T34 aircraft on training flight. Instructor pilot demonstrating landing from rear cockpit, affected by crosswind departed the side of the runway damaging aircraft.