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Attributes | |
ACN | 370580 |
Time | |
Date | 199706 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : 81j |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6500 msl bound upper : 12500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : vps |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Learjet 25 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | B1 Lancer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5300 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 370580 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited penetrated airspace other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We departed destin, fl, runway 14, turned west, heading 260 degrees and contacted eglin departure on 133.0 MHZ. We were advised to proceed wbound over the shoreline and remain clear of eglin's restr areas. We reported we were climbing through a specific altitude (I don't remember exact altitude) climbing to 16500 ft. About 2 mins later, we were advised to maintain VFR at or below 8500 ft. This clearance was amended to 6500 ft MSL. I replied that we were well above this altitude and would descend down to 6500 ft. We selected flight idle and started down. Eglin then asked us to squawk altitude and say altitude. We replied we were at about 12500 ft descending to 6500 ft. We also recycled altitude encoder. It had been left in the off position. As we descended we could clearly see a B1 bomber to our left (south) and an F16 in front of us heading south. We didn't need to take evasive action and took none. I did not see the other 2 aircraft take any evasive action either. Eglin handed us off to pensacola approach as we leveled at 6500 ft wbound over shoreline. Pensacola immediately gave us clearance to climb VFR to 16500 ft, but he was unsure if we had requested 16500 ft or 6500 ft in our VFR flight plan. We clarified we had requested 16500 ft. In retrospect, I think eglin departure thought we had requested 6500 ft as our final VFR altitude. And as we had not been squawking altitude, he didn't know we had climbed up to 12500 ft until we verbally responded we had. It's worth mentioning that the first officer I was flying with, for the first time, flies a lear 25 for another company. The other company has a policy of never turning the altitude encoder off. Therefore, he didn't turn it on, as per the checklist, before takeoff. The first officer and I learned from our flight today. We both made errors we won't repeat.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CHARTER JET ON VFR FLT PLAN CLBED THROUGH RESTR AREA VPS. FO NEW TO THE OP FAILED TO TURN ON THE XPONDER, CONSEQUENTLY CTLR DID NOT CATCH THE ALTDEV UNTIL THE ACFT WAS AT 12500 FT. DSNDED TO 6500 FT UNTIL CLR OF THE AREA. SAW B1 BOMBER AT 3 MI NO CONFLICT.
Narrative: WE DEPARTED DESTIN, FL, RWY 14, TURNED W, HDG 260 DEGS AND CONTACTED EGLIN DEP ON 133.0 MHZ. WE WERE ADVISED TO PROCEED WBOUND OVER THE SHORELINE AND REMAIN CLR OF EGLIN'S RESTR AREAS. WE RPTED WE WERE CLBING THROUGH A SPECIFIC ALT (I DON'T REMEMBER EXACT ALT) CLBING TO 16500 FT. ABOUT 2 MINS LATER, WE WERE ADVISED TO MAINTAIN VFR AT OR BELOW 8500 FT. THIS CLRNC WAS AMENDED TO 6500 FT MSL. I REPLIED THAT WE WERE WELL ABOVE THIS ALT AND WOULD DSND DOWN TO 6500 FT. WE SELECTED FLT IDLE AND STARTED DOWN. EGLIN THEN ASKED US TO SQUAWK ALT AND SAY ALT. WE REPLIED WE WERE AT ABOUT 12500 FT DSNDING TO 6500 FT. WE ALSO RECYCLED ALT ENCODER. IT HAD BEEN LEFT IN THE OFF POS. AS WE DSNDED WE COULD CLRLY SEE A B1 BOMBER TO OUR L (S) AND AN F16 IN FRONT OF US HDG S. WE DIDN'T NEED TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION AND TOOK NONE. I DID NOT SEE THE OTHER 2 ACFT TAKE ANY EVASIVE ACTION EITHER. EGLIN HANDED US OFF TO PENSACOLA APCH AS WE LEVELED AT 6500 FT WBOUND OVER SHORELINE. PENSACOLA IMMEDIATELY GAVE US CLRNC TO CLB VFR TO 16500 FT, BUT HE WAS UNSURE IF WE HAD REQUESTED 16500 FT OR 6500 FT IN OUR VFR FLT PLAN. WE CLARIFIED WE HAD REQUESTED 16500 FT. IN RETROSPECT, I THINK EGLIN DEP THOUGHT WE HAD REQUESTED 6500 FT AS OUR FINAL VFR ALT. AND AS WE HAD NOT BEEN SQUAWKING ALT, HE DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD CLBED UP TO 12500 FT UNTIL WE VERBALLY RESPONDED WE HAD. IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THAT THE FO I WAS FLYING WITH, FOR THE FIRST TIME, FLIES A LEAR 25 FOR ANOTHER COMPANY. THE OTHER COMPANY HAS A POLICY OF NEVER TURNING THE ALT ENCODER OFF. THEREFORE, HE DIDN'T TURN IT ON, AS PER THE CHKLIST, BEFORE TKOF. THE FO AND I LEARNED FROM OUR FLT TODAY. WE BOTH MADE ERRORS WE WON'T REPEAT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.