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A T39 government aircraft has an engine flameout and spills outside of the MOA as the flight crew becomes involved in the engine restart. Flight crew feels that if they had an INS or GPS it would keep them inside the MOA.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 370701 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199706 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : con |
| State Reference | NH |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 28000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Sabreliner 265 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 750 |
| ASRS Report | 370701 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical airspace violation : exit other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Aircraft |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During mission at FL350 in MOA under marsa, lost engine and started a turn toward burlington, vt. Immediate relight of engine did not work, so started a descent and went through checklist and got the engine running. I had my copilot then call boston and they told us we were outside the MOA. We told them we had a flameout and had just gotten the engine on line. We could probably have avoided spilling into the positive control area if we would have had a GPS or INS with a map display or some other method of warning us that we were going outside the MOA boundary. There was no military controller, we were responsible for staying inside the MOA boundary.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A T39 GOV ACFT HAS AN ENG FLAMEOUT AND SPILLS OUTSIDE OF THE MOA AS THE FLC BECOMES INVOLVED IN THE ENG RESTART. FLC FEELS THAT IF THEY HAD AN INS OR GPS IT WOULD KEEP THEM INSIDE THE MOA.
Narrative: DURING MISSION AT FL350 IN MOA UNDER MARSA, LOST ENG AND STARTED A TURN TOWARD BURLINGTON, VT. IMMEDIATE RELIGHT OF ENG DID NOT WORK, SO STARTED A DSCNT AND WENT THROUGH CHKLIST AND GOT THE ENG RUNNING. I HAD MY COPLT THEN CALL BOSTON AND THEY TOLD US WE WERE OUTSIDE THE MOA. WE TOLD THEM WE HAD A FLAMEOUT AND HAD JUST GOTTEN THE ENG ON LINE. WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE AVOIDED SPILLING INTO THE PCA IF WE WOULD HAVE HAD A GPS OR INS WITH A MAP DISPLAY OR SOME OTHER METHOD OF WARNING US THAT WE WERE GOING OUTSIDE THE MOA BOUNDARY. THERE WAS NO MIL CTLR, WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR STAYING INSIDE THE MOA BOUNDARY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.