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Attributes | |
ACN | 370791 |
Time | |
Date | 199706 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : phl |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Learjet 35 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 9300 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 370791 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Due to non standard phraseology from ground control plus how the departure ends of runways 23 and 28 at cle are confusing, I understood my clearance to taxi up to and hold short of runway 23L cleared me up to the hold short for runway 23L. I guess the hold short line is the same for both runways and I taxied just past the line when we noticed a landing B737 on runway 28. The B737 landed without event. I hear of this happening all the time! Something needs to be done now! Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter uses the commercial approach charts and had available the 'airport page' for taxi reference. This page has an inset that shows the very convoluted intersection of runways 23L, 23R, and 28 and their associated txwys. No hold short line is depicted for any of the runways. The reporter does not recall the non standard phraseology that the ground controller used. The reporter will call this incident in to the FAA hotline. He has not heard anything yet from the FAA on this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CPR LR35A PLT TAXIED PAST THE HOLD LINE FOR RWYS 23R, 23L, AND 28 AT CLE. THE RPTR WAS USING THE COMMERCIAL ARPT PAGE. THE RPTR STATES THAT THERE WAS NON STANDARD ATCT GND CTLR PHRASEOLOGY.
Narrative: DUE TO NON STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY FROM GND CTL PLUS HOW THE DEP ENDS OF RWYS 23 AND 28 AT CLE ARE CONFUSING, I UNDERSTOOD MY CLRNC TO TAXI UP TO AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 23L CLRED ME UP TO THE HOLD SHORT FOR RWY 23L. I GUESS THE HOLD SHORT LINE IS THE SAME FOR BOTH RWYS AND I TAXIED JUST PAST THE LINE WHEN WE NOTICED A LNDG B737 ON RWY 28. THE B737 LANDED WITHOUT EVENT. I HEAR OF THIS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME! SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW! CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR USES THE COMMERCIAL APCH CHARTS AND HAD AVAILABLE THE 'ARPT PAGE' FOR TAXI REF. THIS PAGE HAS AN INSET THAT SHOWS THE VERY CONVOLUTED INTXN OF RWYS 23L, 23R, AND 28 AND THEIR ASSOCIATED TXWYS. NO HOLD SHORT LINE IS DEPICTED FOR ANY OF THE RWYS. THE RPTR DOES NOT RECALL THE NON STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY THAT THE GND CTLR USED. THE RPTR WILL CALL THIS INCIDENT IN TO THE FAA HOTLINE. HE HAS NOT HEARD ANYTHING YET FROM THE FAA ON THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.