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Flight crew of a bae ATP has problem with maintenance personnel regarding logbook error and error in low voltage test. While correcting these items there was discussion regarding the past due inspection of life preservers. Maintenance believed that 'prior to june' meant they were good until the end of june. Captain did not agree.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 371740 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199706 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | ATP Advanced Turboprop |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : parked |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 4400 flight time type : 2100 |
| ASRS Report | 371740 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Airplane was brought over from maintenance hangar after receiving its inspection in the morning. During the log acceptance I noted an error and went in to correct. During this time, first officer noted error in low volts test. More confusion ensued as our junior a&P's were confused as to what it should do. I explained. It was fixed. In the confusion, I missed the life preservers on the acceptance. In ord I remembered one was past due. On inspection by a&P they said no, it's good! I said no, it says 'prior to june.' they thought it meant up to the end of june. I don't mind the mistake but to argue plain english and say that's not what it means, really shows how they believe pilots are wrong all of the time and don't know what's going on except when the planes are in the air.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A BAE ATP HAS PROB WITH MAINT PERSONNEL REGARDING LOGBOOK ERROR AND ERROR IN LOW VOLTAGE TEST. WHILE CORRECTING THESE ITEMS THERE WAS DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PAST DUE INSPECTION OF LIFE PRESERVERS. MAINT BELIEVED THAT 'PRIOR TO JUNE' MEANT THEY WERE GOOD UNTIL THE END OF JUNE. CAPT DID NOT AGREE.
Narrative: AIRPLANE WAS BROUGHT OVER FROM MAINT HANGAR AFTER RECEIVING ITS INSPECTION IN THE MORNING. DURING THE LOG ACCEPTANCE I NOTED AN ERROR AND WENT IN TO CORRECT. DURING THIS TIME, FO NOTED ERROR IN LOW VOLTS TEST. MORE CONFUSION ENSUED AS OUR JUNIOR A&P'S WERE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT IT SHOULD DO. I EXPLAINED. IT WAS FIXED. IN THE CONFUSION, I MISSED THE LIFE PRESERVERS ON THE ACCEPTANCE. IN ORD I REMEMBERED ONE WAS PAST DUE. ON INSPECTION BY A&P THEY SAID NO, IT'S GOOD! I SAID NO, IT SAYS 'PRIOR TO JUNE.' THEY THOUGHT IT MEANT UP TO THE END OF JUNE. I DON'T MIND THE MISTAKE BUT TO ARGUE PLAIN ENGLISH AND SAY THAT'S NOT WHAT IT MEANS, REALLY SHOWS HOW THEY BELIEVE PLTS ARE WRONG ALL OF THE TIME AND DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON EXCEPT WHEN THE PLANES ARE IN THE AIR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.