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An large transport aircraft on departure from lax is unable to make the crossing restr as TRACON turns the aircraft so close to the VOR, there is not enough time to climb to achieve the proper altitude.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 371960 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199706 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 12300 msl bound upper : 13000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 13200 flight time type : 1100 |
| ASRS Report | 371960 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 371961 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During climb on loop 9 departure, we crossed keggs intersection at 12300 ft MSL instead of the required 13000 ft or above. The previous restr of 10000 ft or above over lax was made at approximately 10400 ft. I feel the reasons for this incident were: 1) turning us eastbound too early, and 2) our overconfidence in the B757 performance. Although the airspeed was close to best angle of climb, we were heavy enough (210000 pounds) not to make these restrs which we have always made in the past. I regret not advising ATC that we might have a problem making the restr before the fact.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN LGT ACFT ON DEP FROM LAX IS UNABLE TO MAKE THE XING RESTR AS TRACON TURNS THE ACFT SO CLOSE TO THE VOR, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO CLB TO ACHIEVE THE PROPER ALT.
Narrative: DURING CLB ON LOOP 9 DEP, WE CROSSED KEGGS INTXN AT 12300 FT MSL INSTEAD OF THE REQUIRED 13000 FT OR ABOVE. THE PREVIOUS RESTR OF 10000 FT OR ABOVE OVER LAX WAS MADE AT APPROX 10400 FT. I FEEL THE REASONS FOR THIS INCIDENT WERE: 1) TURNING US EBOUND TOO EARLY, AND 2) OUR OVERCONFIDENCE IN THE B757 PERFORMANCE. ALTHOUGH THE AIRSPD WAS CLOSE TO BEST ANGLE OF CLB, WE WERE HVY ENOUGH (210000 LBS) NOT TO MAKE THESE RESTRS WHICH WE HAVE ALWAYS MADE IN THE PAST. I REGRET NOT ADVISING ATC THAT WE MIGHT HAVE A PROB MAKING THE RESTR BEFORE THE FACT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.