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Attributes | |
ACN | 373236 |
Time | |
Date | 199707 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : vhp airport : ind |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11500 msl bound upper : 11500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 30F |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors enroute airway : zid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna Single Piston Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5550 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 373236 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 250 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On a radar vector departure with an unusual number of intermediate leveloffs, we were on an assigned heading of 070 degrees and cleared to climb out of our 10000 ft assignment, our new assignment was 13000 ft or 15000 ft. Our climb airspeed was 320 KIAS. Approaching 11500 ft in the climb, my peripheral vision caught movement outside my right windscreen. Too late to maneuver, I watched as a cessna-type aircraft, white with red stripes, pass an estimated 200-300 ft from my cockpit window on a slightly converging heading. When we reported a near miss with ATC, the controller response was '...you mean that guy at 11500 ft?' this confused us even further. The controller communicated to us that he knew the aircraft was there but did not sound as though he felt any conflict had existed. The controller never admitted any error on his or his equipment's part nor transmitted any concern for the gravity of the situation. I wish we could show this guy how near death we came that day. The high number of intermediate leveloffs could indicate a complicated arrival/departure situation with multiple aircraft causing high task saturation. This incident reinforces the need for at least 1 pilot to vigilantly watch outside the cockpit for traffic, especially during departures and arrs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC BTWN A CARGO DC10-30 CLBING ON DEP AT 11500 FT AND A CESSNA SEL CONVERGING AT THE SAME ALT. NO EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN DUE TO INSUFFICIENT TIME. ATC ACKNOWLEDGED TFC AT THAT ALT AFTER BEING ADVISED OF NMAC BY RPTR'S CREW.
Narrative: ON A RADAR VECTOR DEP WITH AN UNUSUAL NUMBER OF INTERMEDIATE LEVELOFFS, WE WERE ON AN ASSIGNED HDG OF 070 DEGS AND CLRED TO CLB OUT OF OUR 10000 FT ASSIGNMENT, OUR NEW ASSIGNMENT WAS 13000 FT OR 15000 FT. OUR CLB AIRSPD WAS 320 KIAS. APCHING 11500 FT IN THE CLB, MY PERIPHERAL VISION CAUGHT MOVEMENT OUTSIDE MY R WINDSCREEN. TOO LATE TO MANEUVER, I WATCHED AS A CESSNA-TYPE ACFT, WHITE WITH RED STRIPES, PASS AN ESTIMATED 200-300 FT FROM MY COCKPIT WINDOW ON A SLIGHTLY CONVERGING HDG. WHEN WE RPTED A NEAR MISS WITH ATC, THE CTLR RESPONSE WAS '...YOU MEAN THAT GUY AT 11500 FT?' THIS CONFUSED US EVEN FURTHER. THE CTLR COMMUNICATED TO US THAT HE KNEW THE ACFT WAS THERE BUT DID NOT SOUND AS THOUGH HE FELT ANY CONFLICT HAD EXISTED. THE CTLR NEVER ADMITTED ANY ERROR ON HIS OR HIS EQUIP'S PART NOR XMITTED ANY CONCERN FOR THE GRAVITY OF THE SIT. I WISH WE COULD SHOW THIS GUY HOW NEAR DEATH WE CAME THAT DAY. THE HIGH NUMBER OF INTERMEDIATE LEVELOFFS COULD INDICATE A COMPLICATED ARR/DEP SIT WITH MULTIPLE ACFT CAUSING HIGH TASK SATURATION. THIS INCIDENT REINFORCES THE NEED FOR AT LEAST 1 PLT TO VIGILANTLY WATCH OUTSIDE THE COCKPIT FOR TFC, ESPECIALLY DURING DEPS AND ARRS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.