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Attributes | |
ACN | 373696 |
Time | |
Date | 199706 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zid |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 27600 msl bound upper : 28000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Learjet 36 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 5800 |
ASRS Report | 373696 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
While climbing en route, ZID assigned FL330. Due to the aircraft weight and above normal temperature at altitude my aircraft (an LR36) was climbing about 1200-1500 FPM at the time of the occurrence. As we were going through FL276 ATC told us to expedite through FL280. We had just barely adjusted our pitch attitude to comply with ATC instruction, when simultaneously ATC asked our altitude, also we noticed an MD80 approaching from right to left approximately FL270. We called leaving FL280 within 5 seconds from the initial ATC request to expedite our climb. Indianapolis never mentioned the MD80 traffic to us. About 1 hour later while on ZJX, we were given a telephone number and told to call ZID regarding a possible airspace deviation. I called at my destination, and was told that initially they thought that there was a pilot deviation, but after carefully looking at the situation there were no infractions. Now I was a little confused, so I asked what situation are we discussing. I was told that the MD80 was assigned climb to FL270. Approaching FL270 the MD80 received a TCASII RA that told them to descend. There were several reasons why the TCASII activated. Assuming the MD80 was climbing at a rate faster than us then that would cause an RA. The MD80 flight path crossed ours without the minimum separation. ATC never called the MD80 traffic, nor told us to expedite until it was too late. The MD80 or us should have been assigned a lower altitude until safe separation was achieved.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF LR36 SIGHTS TFC WHICH APPEARS TO BE BELOW WHEN ASKED TO EXPEDITE CLB. THE OTHER ACFT RECEIVES A TCASII ALERT. UPON CALLING CTR AS REQUESTED IT IS INDICATED THAT THERE WAS NO REAL PROB.
Narrative: WHILE CLBING ENRTE, ZID ASSIGNED FL330. DUE TO THE ACFT WT AND ABOVE NORMAL TEMP AT ALT MY ACFT (AN LR36) WAS CLBING ABOUT 1200-1500 FPM AT THE TIME OF THE OCCURRENCE. AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH FL276 ATC TOLD US TO EXPEDITE THROUGH FL280. WE HAD JUST BARELY ADJUSTED OUR PITCH ATTITUDE TO COMPLY WITH ATC INSTRUCTION, WHEN SIMULTANEOUSLY ATC ASKED OUR ALT, ALSO WE NOTICED AN MD80 APCHING FROM R TO L APPROX FL270. WE CALLED LEAVING FL280 WITHIN 5 SECONDS FROM THE INITIAL ATC REQUEST TO EXPEDITE OUR CLB. INDIANAPOLIS NEVER MENTIONED THE MD80 TFC TO US. ABOUT 1 HR LATER WHILE ON ZJX, WE WERE GIVEN A TELEPHONE NUMBER AND TOLD TO CALL ZID REGARDING A POSSIBLE AIRSPACE DEV. I CALLED AT MY DEST, AND WAS TOLD THAT INITIALLY THEY THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A PLTDEV, BUT AFTER CAREFULLY LOOKING AT THE SIT THERE WERE NO INFRACTIONS. NOW I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED, SO I ASKED WHAT SIT ARE WE DISCUSSING. I WAS TOLD THAT THE MD80 WAS ASSIGNED CLB TO FL270. APCHING FL270 THE MD80 RECEIVED A TCASII RA THAT TOLD THEM TO DSND. THERE WERE SEVERAL REASONS WHY THE TCASII ACTIVATED. ASSUMING THE MD80 WAS CLBING AT A RATE FASTER THAN US THEN THAT WOULD CAUSE AN RA. THE MD80 FLT PATH CROSSED OURS WITHOUT THE MINIMUM SEPARATION. ATC NEVER CALLED THE MD80 TFC, NOR TOLD US TO EXPEDITE UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE. THE MD80 OR US SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED A LOWER ALT UNTIL SAFE SEPARATION WAS ACHIEVED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.